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check see if battery cables tight.headlights come on?try tapping starter with hammer.if got volt meter see what battery says.try turning over see what meter says.if drops below 10 volts replace battery.check connections at starter.clean if dirty.
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Ign switch
Starter solenoid
neutral safety in shift housing
weak current path from battery to key to solenoid not energizing the solenoid windings.
maybe it'll turn over once it cools down..
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| Are you meaning that the engine will not turn over/rotate when you hit the starter, or are you meaning that the engine turns over or spins when you hit the starter but doesn't catch or start? |
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Wildthings
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| minsk wrote: |
no spark i believe
click click click
we are thinking ignition coil |
So the engine is spinning over when you turn the key to the "START" position? |
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jimf909 
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I hate to say it but I also don't know what "turn over" and "click click click" mean. Could be the starter is spinning the engine or the solenoid is just clicking and the starter motor is not turning. "Turn over" is an eternal mystery in the auto diagnosis lexicon.
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Wildthings
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| minsk wrote: |
no sir.
it is not turning over. |
Has your friend tried using a screwdriver to short between the B+ post on the starter solenoid to the #50 spade terminal with the red/blackwire on it. Doing so takes the ignition switch and most of the wiring out of the picture.
When doing this the parking brake needs to be set, the wheels chocked, and the tranny must be in neutral (autos need to be in park). If you want the engine to start then the key must also be in the "run" or "on" position.
If the engine will not crank when jumping the terminals on the starter then the battery, battery cables, ground strap, cable connections, and starter are each suspect and need to be checked. |
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My 88 auto has done this to me 2 times in the past.
Ground problems both times.
The first time it was a poor connection at the ground strap that goes to the transmission.
The second was corrosion on the ground connection on the firewall near the coil. |
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What parts service does he need.. there are service garages in Rock Springs? I fear that he's going to get it bandaided to fire up and then hit the road for a more remote desolate location to really break down in.. an all too familiar anthem for the VW driver..
get it figured out and fixed right.. right now..
but to note that a vanagon AT starter (if that's it and not the wiring conductivity) is almost always a special order 3day item. (since you can't pop start a AT, we carry mom's spare starter in her van on big trips)
Rock Springs has an O'rieleys, Auto zone and napa
O'Reilly Auto Parts1265 Dewar DrRock Springs, WY 82901 (307) 362-1284
AutoZone1285 Dewar DrRock Springs, WY 82901 (307) 362-2700
NAPA Auto Parts Auto Parts Unlimited1300 Dewar DrRock Springs, WY 82901 (307) 382-2780
as well as a Wlamart service center.
Walmart Tire & Lube Express201 Gateway BlvdRock Springs, WY 82901
(307) 362-3384
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I had the same issue on my '91 automatic while on a trip a month ago. Fortunately I was with 2 Vanagon guys that know their stuff and diagnosed the issue to be the solenoid on the starter.
We would start the van with one person turning the ignition key while the other tapped the starter solenoid. The issue was intermitant but the solution worked until the new starter arrived.
We were on the OBX of NC. Car Quest was the only local shop that had a source for the starter. 3 day wait for the starter delivery. |
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| I fear that he's going to get it bandaided to fire up and then hit the road for a more remote desolate location to really break down in.. |
This is a real possibility. Having worked in that area in the past, Rock Springs IS the big town.
There ain't much at all in Rawlins except for a surprisingly good Thai restaurant. Not sure what's in Laramie but that would probably be the closest town with "better" services than Rock Springs.
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| Tobias Duncan wrote: |
My 88 auto has done this to me 2 times in the past.
Ground problems both times.
The first time it was a poor connection at the ground strap that goes to the transmission.
The second was corrosion on the ground connection on the firewall near the coil. |
in addition to those... I know I had a similar issue as well.
My problem was the main power wire attached to the positive post on the Alternator had worn itself thin and was only holding on by a strand. The fix, cut the wire and attached a new ring terminal it started.
You may have to tug on the wire a little to see if its all in tact. At first glance it looked ok originally but once I tugged you can tell it was barely hanging on.
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