To respray or not to respray?

ahollis · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:03 am Post subject: To respray or not to respray?

Hi, I recently bought this 1964 coupe. It is an ex-Arizona car which apparently has been stood outside unused since 1983, so the paint work has this amazing sun baked effect on it. The previous owner had it clear coated and if I am honest I love the way it looks.

I'm doing the car up to sell on and would love to keep the paint as it is, but those nearest and dearest to me think that I should get it resprayed in order to appeal to a larger group of potential buyers and maximize profit.

So, my question is, what do you think of the paint work? is there a market for rat look ghia's? and should I respray it to maximize the cars potential?

I should also mention that the car is in the UK.

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Karly · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:36 am Post subject:

My vote.. I like original paint and I would want that car EXACTLY how it is paint wise.. it's a very cool effect on it!

I'd do the other stuff.. nice engine, mint interior, make sure rust is removed in wheel wells/spare tire etc.
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CiderGuy · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:06 am Post subject:

Do not pass go, go directly to a respray.
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jpjohns · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:01 am Post subject:

I'm kind of torn. I never did like a rusty car but then I started seeing nice patina cars that are on a completely restored chassis with new interior and a good clear coat. That seems to be the thing now.

I would say if the body is solid and needs nothing cut out then hell, sand it up and clear it. If you have to do cutting/replacing then re-spray it.
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KGCoupe · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:05 am Post subject:

IMO, the answer depnds on whether or not it is still currently the original paint.

If you can verify that the Ghia is still wearing what's left of its original factory paint, then I'd be inclined to leave it as is and give the next owner the chance to decide what they want to do with it.

If that is already a previous respray that the sun has baked off, then it's not as "valuable" - at least not from an "originality" perspective.
Being that the car is currently in the U.K., though, the faded patina may have some value as a rare example of what can happen if the sun actually shines brightly often enough. Wink

Northof49 · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:09 am Post subject:

I don't know what your cost is to repaint the car, but you certainly need to subtract that from the selling price. Unless you document well the condition of the car prior to the repaint, I would think a buyer might question the bodywork it was sprayed over. So I would put it on the market in present condition, and if you don't find it's fetching the price you think it might with a repaint, then go that route.
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ZENVWDRIVER · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:38 am Post subject:

Ummmmmmmmmmm! Took a long time to get that beautiful... anyone can try to make a car beautiful with fresh paint. To some that is beautiful too. Your car is naturally beautiful... I vote leave it naturally beautiful.

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John Moxon · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:48 am Post subject:

Whether you like it or not is immaterial if you're going to sell. If you respray you're unlikely to get your money back.

Present it nicely and allow the buyer to make the decision.
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jpjohns · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:57 am Post subject:

This is true seeing I asked a local country guy here in Harrisonburg and he wanted $7000 to sand and paint. You'd never get that back in the sale.
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c21darrel · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:04 pm Post subject:

Air-Cooled Head · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:45 pm Post subject:

I'm with Karly & Zen;

Roll as is. If your intent is to sell, and make a profit, sell as is.

Beautifully restored to showroom is SO boring! Once you've seen one, you've seen 'em all. d'oh!

I'd buy that, as is, and roll it forever. Restored & painted, I'd walk past it with little more than a glance at the wheels.

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TheFop · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject:

I'd keep the patina, I appreciate a good restored car but also appreciate a car that is what it is, I'd be tempted to put OG wheels on and lower it as the current wheels look a bit to bling for a patina car.
As others mention there are heaps of fully restored show cars that all kinda look the same, but a patina car will always look unique and draw interest and will be cheaper than a respray and the difference between patina and respray will be neutral.
Also what is the interior like? again if is aged you would need to redo it to make it look as good as the exterior after a respray, but you can leave it looking ratty if you leave the exterior.
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c21darrel · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject:

Do it like this one.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...p;start=40
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akear · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject:

A quality respray is EXPENSIVE and if you plan to flip this car you will not get your money back. You can get a cheap respray but that will not help you sell the car except, perhaps, to an unknowledgeable, impulsive buyer. A cheap respray is a big red flag to others. So my vote... keep as is if you are re-selling. If you are going to keep it, do what you like best.

swavananda · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject:

A rust free patina ghia is not a rat rod look. It is more of a Sophia Loren type thing. More beauty with age.

danielsan · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:14 am Post subject:

Get some chrome strips and badge and drive it. Very nice patina. A for the love of baby buddha don't ruin the suspension. Stock height, og patina survivor is my vote.

Srecko · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:08 am Post subject:

absolutely not, original only once!

67jason · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:36 am Post subject:

paint it. the so called patina movement cars look like ass (to me) 90+% of the time. it doesn't have to be perfect 100 point better then show room condition. just get it close enough, get the rust fixed/hidden and or slowed down and respray the OG color.

you want the widest audience of buyer and likely the most $$ you can get out of it, get it nice, clean and shiny and enter it in the nearest high roller auction you can find. some rich dudes trophy wife will want it because its cute, shiny and red, the old rich dude will probably pay 5-10K too much for it to appease her.

oh and it is tons more enjoyable for me to drive down in a clean car, maybe not a perfect car, but clean non the less then it is to roll in a clapped out rotten and falling apart appearing car....and judging by the roof how many wet winters will it live through before holes appear?
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moogie32 · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:29 am Post subject:

I would absolutely leave it as is and let the new buyer do what they want with it - I agree that you are unlikely to recoup your outlay painting it if it's a quality job - or your profit margin will be smaller than if you sold it as is. Why limit your potential buyer base by making a change that can't easily be undone? Or, at the very least try and sell as is and if you can't find a taker then consider a paint job. Whether the current patina craze continues or not is irrelevant - you are selling this now and patina is in.
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stanthedog · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:18 pm Post subject:

I've always figured the patina and ratrod look is because the owner doesn't have enough money to get a decent paint job, so he convinces everyone it looks cool(uhg). But I would buy yours before I bought a really nice looking freshly painted car because I can see the condition and I can paint it the color I want. and it's going to cost more to paint than you will make in a higher price.


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