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quiquediaz
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 Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:35 am Post subject: Engine compartment panel 141 813 181C vs. 141 813 181A |
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| Hello, I need to change the three panels in the engine compartment of a 1960 Ghia. The OEM part of the long one on the back # is 141 813 181A but I can only find the later model metal panel with # 141 813 181C. Can somebody tell me if, making any sort of modification, I can install this later version in the earlier, what is the difference, they look very similar. |
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c21darrel
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quiquediaz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I thank you for your help!. We will have to do some additional metal work to make it fit. I will buy this later version of the panel and the earlier side trays and see what happens. There is only one way to know it. Thank you again  |
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Rome
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I remember another difference with the rear panel, the one which holds the engine lid latch. The #...181A should be for a Ghia with a 36hp engine, like what your '60 would've originally had. The front edge of the rear panel is approx. 1" longer towards the front of the car than the same panel for the 40hp cars (1961 on). That's because the 40hp engine is longer towards the rear by approx. 1". I saw this difference in the rear panels in person last year at a local VW meet where a man had a '60 Ghia convertible, and another person had his fully original, purchased-new '65. The difference in the distance from the front edge of that latch to the front edge of the panel where the engine seal is fastened was approx. a "thumb" wide.
I also remember reading that when VW stopped selling the 181A as a spare part, you had to use the later version (maybe it was ...181B?). This would result in an approx 1" gap to the rear engine cross-tin on the 36hp engine cars. So VW compensated for that gap by selling a rear cross-tin for 36hp engines which was 1" longer to the rear.
I have not researched the ...181C rear section which you mention, but I can imagine that might be for a '68 on which had the differently shaped stiffening rib pressings. |
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quiquediaz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok. Now I know the changes I have to make. I really thank you for all the tips. It is nlce to have someone helping. |
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c21darrel
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Mellow Yellow 74
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I am starting to restore a 62 KG with some dodgy accident repair in the rear and purchased a lock carrier plate (aka engine compartment inner deck, centre third) for a 67-74 to replace the original one.
I have not installed it yet but if I place it over the old one the overall dimensions appear to be the same but there are four differences:
- the threaded holes for the lock mechanism are different
- the new style has four recessed drain holes in the rear edge (the original has two holes but no recesses)
- the new style does not have the recess for the corner of the stamped rectangle in the battery tray like the original one
- the new style has the engine seal channel flush with the top of the panel (the original has the channel recessed down the side)
To use the new one I will have to modify these items plus relocate the engine seal channel on the two side battery tray panels. I haven't decided yet but I may just end up straightening the original one because it is not too bad.
From the other responses it sounds like you will need to make additional changes to make it fit your 60, but from the photos above I think you will have the same issues as on my 62 as well.
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quiquediaz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ok. I Thank you for all the advise. As a matter of fact I will buy both side trays from Danny. , but he has not the center panel. I will take a look at that German supplier, If they don't have it I will buy the later version because the original one is death corroded. But now I know a lot of information thanks to all of you. Blessings!  |
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Mellow Yellow 74
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The website is http://www.wagner-blechteile.de - it is in German and the vendor Juergen does not speak English but I successfully placed an order by email using Google translate. My hint is to use short and simple sentences and translate English to German then back to English to check it is saying what you meant it to say.
The international shipping charges he quoted were quite expensive but I arranged with him to ship it to a shipping forwarder in Germany which was much cheaper - see http://mailboxde.com.
Juergen makes Karmann Ghia parts that you can't get elsewhere - I got a set of early heater channels, a fender repair panel with the badge recess and some repair prices for my door. I haven't seen these for sale anywhere else and the early lock carrier plate is the same situation.
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