My '66 barn-find, with some mysterious parts

[randallino]

I'm trying to determine the order of operations here. This is a 1966, with what appears to be a 1960, 1200 engine in it.
In the barn, where I found her

Engine compartment (pre-cleaning)

Cleaned up and in my driveway!

This thing sat for over 30 years. The wiring was eaten by critters, and the battery is long dead. I happen to have an alternator, stand, and coil from a 12 volt set-up in my old VW treasure box, and a 12v marine battery for a trolling motor. I also have32 PICT and a 34 PICT Solex that I've stored in plastic bags all these years. So...

Since the engine is not the o.g. 1300, I'm not committed to keeping it stock. What I'd like to do is get a battery, rebuild the carb, clean the tank and wire up just the starter and ignition system for a test run. But do I buy a 6v battery to test with, or install the 12v parts and battery and run it that way?

I know I need new points and condenser, too. I don't recall the distributor model, but it's got the biscuit on the side. I can check the model and update. I'm really eager to see if the motor is any count, so I'm looking for the simplest way to test it. I've also considered buying a 009 and matching it with the 32 or 34 PICT, whichever is appropriate. I'm not sure if I'll be keeping this engine or getting a rebuilt 1600+, so I don't want to buy parts I can't swap over. I'm about 10 days in, mostly cleaning and assessment but I appreciate any insight.
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[rcroane]

Welcome.....that first photo is awesome!
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[stale air]

Grab the numbers off the motor, and you can look them up to find out exactly what year the motor is. It appears to be an early 40 horse and is for sure not out of a 60 as that would have made it a 36 horse.
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[grandpa pete]

Welcome !
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[randallino]

Thanks for all the feedback! i'm pretty in love with that photo in the barn, too. I may have to frame that one.

The engine number is 5042648, which looks to be a 40hp 1200 from a '61. I'm curious if the 28 PICT carb and the distributor are stock for that year. I've read a lot that the distributor and the carb need to match, so I don't want to get a 009 unless I can use one of my spares (I have a 32 & a 34 somewhere).

I should note that the engine turns over by hand, and allegedly ran when parked.

After removing all rotten hoses & wires

Close-up of the distributor

Anoter close-up, this one of the innards

[KTPhil]

That shroud looks to have been modified on the left outlet to make room for an A/C compressor. Poor li'l 40 horse!

[hitest]

[Eric&Barb]

[stale air]

[randallino]

Lots to consider here.... thanks all!

I think I will rebuild the 28 carb, the distributor, and replace the points condenser, cap rotor & ignition wires. Then either get a used 6 volt battery, or swap my 12 v parts onto it and hook up the marine battery I already have.

I'm reluctant to install a complete harness when I still have pans to cut out and replace, so I figure I'll just rig up an ignition system and push button starter to find out if this motor runs.

That shroud does look rough, I have an un-mutilated one I can swap it for when I switch to the alternator.

I'll have to investigate this 'bastard bus' motor. I might be able to some info from the previous owner, but that's doubtful.

[Eric&Barb]

Do keep in mind that if the wiring was eaten all up, that more than likely the mice built nice nest/s in the fan shroud. Which will block up the cooling to the heads and cylinders, so would not run it for more than a minute.

If it runs, it needs a full strip down to long block for a good cleaning and retorquing of all the engine case and then heads fasteners in same sequence as if building the engine.

As for the case ID number it looks like it might be a hand stamped (slightly crooked numbers) at a dealer replacement case.
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[grandpa pete]

If you are planning on replacing the fan shroud ; would it be a good idea to go with a doghouse unit ?
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66 sedan delivery Type 6

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[randallino]

Well it's been a little over a year and about all I've done is pull the motor. I've also completed quite a few chores on my honeydew list, re-organized my shop to accommodate a bug for the foreseeable future and add a lot of lights so I can what I'm doing.

The motor mystery is solved, I think. I pulled it about 2 weeks ago and it turns easily by hand. I'm thinking of cleaning it up and putting it back in to see if it works.

Here's a pic of the number

[randallino]

You can see a small '78' stamped just above the P, and some odd marking after the number. sorry the pic is blurry

There is also a very faint stamp below gen stand that says Factory Rebuilt.

[randallino]

More images of the motor.

[bluebus86]

[splitjunkie]

[Eric&Barb]

[bluebus86]