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mlesniak
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Love it! Keep us posted. And I gotta admit... before and after cleaning pics are the shit haha. Im planning on doing a subaru swap too. Do you remember where you bought your adapter kit from and for how much???
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captincanuck
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| mlesniak wrote: |
| Love it! Keep us posted. And I gotta admit... before and after cleaning pics are the shit haha. Im planning on doing a subaru swap too. Do you remember where you bought your adapter kit from and for how much??? |
I didn't buy any adapter kit. If you are talking about the Subaru reverse crown wheel and pinion kit, well that is from subarugears in Australia; but I haven't bought it yet. It runs $2000 USD delivered. If you plan to do a Subaru engine to Bus transmission conversion then you need an adapter plate from one of the local (US) places that supply them.
Or maybe I misunderstood the question.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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depending what way you look at it, doing the Subaru transmission "saves" you 600 clams on an adapter making the R&P kit more like 1400 seeing you don't have to buy the adapter set up
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mlesniak
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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You got it haha.
Oh so if i use the subarugears transmission modification with a subaru ej22 or ej25 then i wouldnt need the adapter kit (clutchplate and flywheel)
But if i used the OG bus transmission then i would need the adapter kit right (clutchplate and flywheel)???
I have a 1973 transporter and am looking to doing the swap this year. Trying to gain all info possible.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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no...
a Subaru engine bolts to.....a Subaru transmission!
a Subaru engine + adapter bolts to a vw transmission
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captincanuck
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| depending what way you look at it, doing the Subaru transmission "saves" you 600 clams on an adapter making the R&P kit more like 1400 seeing you don't have to buy the adapter set up |
You also save on having to re-gear you bus transmission, which doesn't mate up in an ideal torque-rpm kind of way to the Subaru. All the info is out there and detailed in great depth by people much smarter than me, but basically your bus was happy doing 70mph at 4000rpm but a Subaru does not like that. It's much happier around 3000rpm. So you can re-gear your bus transmission, put huge tires on your bus, or save the headache and just keep the Subaru transmission. Spoiler alert, I'm keeping the Subaru 
That wasn't directed at you Skills. I just thought it added to your "saves" comment.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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true, but I have a perfect 4 speed in my bus. 5 speed would be more fun for sure.
having done this, I still say a trans with 091 gearing 1-4 would be ideal with a bit taller of a 5th.
it's all about keeping the engine in its power band...
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mlesniak
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Yea ........ Lol that was my question. Solid....
So if i plan on having an EJ22-25 in my bus with the subaru manual trans then ill have to modify the trans a bit and then set my gearing correctly to make the subarus rpms happy ? Those would be my only major concerns eh?
Btw Ive watched all of busarus swap videos on youtube and am in college for automtive technology right now (just started last week) ill have access to many tools and such. Which will hopefully help me sail a little smoother with this swap.
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captincanuck
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So if i plan on having an EJ22-25 in my bus with the subaru manual trans then ill have to modify the trans a bit and then set my gearing correctly to make the subarus rpms happy ? Those would be my only major concerns eh? |
If you go with the Subaru transmission then no gearing monkey business is required. The gearing modifications (typically a taller 4th gear in a 091) only come into play if you mate a Subaru engine to a bus transmission via an adapter plate. If the Subaru engine is attached to a Subaru transmission then the whole drive train is Subaru and all the gearing stays as stock (that's my understanding at least). You need to modify the Subaru transmission to output the opposite direction (that's what the gear and pinion kit does) so you don't have 5 speeds in reverse and one forward. Or you can buy a modified transmission from Subaru gears for $4000 delivered
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mlesniak
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Oh ohkay got it. And ive watched videos and read posts about modifiying the subarus trans slightly. Looks pretty tricky but it can be done! Haha ! this really pumped me up to finally do my own subaru conversion. Ive been researching it since even before i had my bus lol  keep us posted on your swap process
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vwwestyman
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Reading this thread and the comments makes me think that using the engine and transmission from a wrecked Subaru with a conversion kit may well have been less expensive than my TDI conversion, in which I used Mexican parts in place of an adapter plate and had the transmission regeared. The trans did need rebuilt anyway so part of that cost was offset, but I also changed 3rd and 4th gear and the R/P with some kind of upgrade done to it too.
I also upgraded the wheels and tires as I was trying to avoid regearing for a while.
But I do like the TDI engine in general and now that the cooling issues seem to be sorted, I do like the conversion a lot more!
The Vanagon engine in my '73 is really running great, but I've been thinking about what I'll do when that engine eventually gets worn out...
Hopefully it'll work at least long enough for me to work the bugs out of the first conversion... Then I can benefit from my own R/D and not have to try the same things over and over.
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captincanuck
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Great build VWWESTYMAN. Thought I was following all the bus conversion threads, but must have missed yours. I guess I'm not the greatest when it comes to using the search button.
Glad your cooling issues are sorted out, and thanks for posting you progress. Looks like you are another supporter of under the bus cooling. I am 99.99% sold on it. The only thing keeping me from committing that last 0.01% is that I would love to keep my perfectly functioning BA6 system. It gets cold up here in the great white north. Ah.
Maybe I will be able to figure a way to have both. But that is way down the road.
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vwwestyman
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Great build VWWESTYMAN. Thought I was following all the bus conversion threads, but must have missed yours. I guess I'm not the greatest when it comes to using the search button.
Glad your cooling issues are sorted out, and thanks for posting you progress. Looks like you are another supporter of under the bus cooling. I am 99.99% sold on it. The only thing keeping me from committing that last 0.01% is that I would love to keep my perfectly functioning BA6 system. It gets cold up here in the great white north. Ah.
Maybe I will be able to figure a way to have both. But that is way down the road. |
Thanks!
Yes, I'd say I've converted to the under Bus mount camp for sure!
I looked through the gallery to find a pic of a mounted BA6, dang, those are huge! I was thinking maybe you could mount the rad forward of it, but there doesn't look to be room!
While you'd lose the preheat the bus ability, with a watercooled motor, you can easily add watercooled heaters so keeping the BA6 would be less necessary.
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tristessa
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| While you'd lose the preheat the bus ability, with a watercooled motor, you can easily add watercooled heaters |
Once the watercooled heaters are in place, you could also add a Webasto Thermotop or Eberspächer Hydronic, both of which heat and circulate the coolant and can easily be run from a timer to preheat your rig in the morning. Used ones are relatively affordable on ebay.de and easy to find .. finding a seller willing to ship out of the EU is another matter.
I bought a Hydronic B5WSC from a gentleman in Berlin to add to my '75 for winter camping, but the water pump was damaged in shipping. Not the seller's fault, it was well packed but arrived looking like it'd been hit with a forklift. Deutsche Post said the claim had to be submitted to the USPS, USPS said it had to be submitted to Deutsche Post... argh... |
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vwwestyman
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| While you'd lose the preheat the bus ability, with a watercooled motor, you can easily add watercooled heaters |
Once the watercooled heaters are in place, you could also add a Webasto Thermotop or Eberspächer Hydronic, both of which heat and circulate the coolant and can easily be run from a timer to preheat your rig in the morning. Used ones are relatively affordable on ebay.de and easy to find .. finding a seller willing to ship out of the EU is another matter.
I bought a Hydronic B5WSC from a gentleman in Berlin to add to my '75 for winter camping, but the water pump was damaged in shipping. Not the seller's fault, it was well packed but arrived looking like it'd been hit with a forklift. Deutsche Post said the claim had to be submitted to the USPS, USPS said it had to be submitted to Deutsche Post... argh... |
Now that is an interesting idea. Is there something that allows the heater fans to run to blow the warm air into the car?
A much simpler option would be a block heater. Still wouldn't preheat the bus, but you wouldn't have to wait very long for the heater water to heat up after driving. One could probably rig up a bunch of stuff to circulate coolant and run the heater fans and all that I guess.
Or you could have a space heater in the bus, and have it and the block heater running. The space heater would warm up the inside while it sits, and then once you start driving the warm engine would provide heat.
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tristessa
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| Now that is an interesting idea. Is there something that allows the heater fans to run to blow the warm air into the car? |
There's an "on" signal that's meant to turn on the heater fans via a relay after the unit has run a few minutes to warm up the coolant. Parking heaters have become pretty common/standard in the northern parts of Europe just like heated seats. |
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captincanuck
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Some excellent heating options to consider. I really only use the BA6 when camping and the temps drop down below freezing during the night. It's nice to be able to flick the switch and turn the bus into a toaster. Puts me right back to sleep (or could that be a CO leak?). Anyway back to the business at hand. Just picked up my timing belt/water pump kit from across the river (the Niagara river that is) and will be getting on that job this weekend.
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tristessa
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| Keep us posted. I'm very happy with my I-4 VW swap, but I've also got an EJ25D that needs head gaskets sitting in the garage and a couple friends who have Busses without good engines... |
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captincanuck
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So wine/cider season has been slowing down bus progress but not that much. Had a heck of a time getting the oil pump apart to clean it out before I put the timing bits on. Finally had a chance to get out to the Canadian version of Harbor Freight Tools "Princess Auto" and pick up some jumbo Allen keys to take it apart for cleaning. Mission accomplished. One thing that has been getting on my nerves that I can't find an answer for is, and I might just have to ask this in a Subaru form but what the heck; why do my heads only have one exhaust port, per side?
Everyone doing these conversions with the same engine (EJ22) has used and sells an exhaust header with 2 ports on each side. Even the Subaru dealer gave me gaskets with two hole in them (and I gave him the VIN) Grrrrr. Anyone know what might be going on here. It's worth a shot.
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