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smileyman3000
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Hey everyone.
I'm looking to buy some Type 4/Thing CVs very shortly for my bug. Just wondering where is the best place to get them from?
I noticed that Moore Parts no longer has them in their parts lineup. This is where I was going to get them from a few years back.
Any suggestions?
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Vanapplebomb
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EMPI makes some good 100mm cv joints for off road use that are good to 25 degrees. I know a few people who have been running them hard for years with big tires and engines. They have held up well on the trails and dunes here in Michigan.
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smileyman3000
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Hey guys.
I already have Thing stubs in the car. And am running modified Bug axles which take the wider CV now. I basically just need CVs.
Unfortunately buying complete axles is costly to have shipped here. If I could just buy the CVs that would be great. And a lot cheaper to ship. Unfortunately I'm not finding anywhere that doesn't sell complete axles.
What I have been running on the car are aftermarket 924/944 purchased from the local parts supplier in OZ. They are obviously Chinese going by the price but don't measure up the same as a Type 2 or Type 4 CV. There balls are actually halfway inbetween in size. I was getting good angle out of them. Around 20° I think. But they clicked a little on full droop and I had been breaking a few of them. So I figured it was time to get some proper Type 4 CVs.
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| Ive been running the empi high angle bus joints for 4-5 years. They are awesome. I bust one now and then, but i have big Hp, tires and run them at their max limits at full droop and bump. |
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Vanapplebomb
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The pre assembled thing replacement half shafts (from cv joint to cv joint) are cheap and do work. It is a good budget fix if that is what you are looking for. Hard to beat for the value. You can still get them online for 60 bucks a pop shipped to your door if you know where to look.
But yeah, I would hit up the EMPI off road 100mm cv joints if you are really looking for something with max articulation with your existing stub axles.
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takotruckin
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Keep in mind the EMPI replacement axles are actually T2 cv's in most cases and won't articulate as far as a real T4. And the 100mm off road joints are junk if you want to run them on the street at all, I wouldn't recommend them at all due to vibration/binding issues WAY below max articulation.
Used T4 joints are the way to go.
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| Keep in mind the EMPI replacement axles are actually T2 cv's in most cases and won't articulate as far as a real T4. |
I'm curious to this, have you measured the balls?
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race-desert
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I will cross post my post from another site where this is also being discussed.- with some added info..
For the record these baja's get used in the deserts and mountains....
I gave up on my Empi type 4 cvs after another person and i had trouble getting the degree's of articulation out of empi's type 4 cv's, we hounded the dealer about them and he admitted all empi type 4 cv's are really only type 2's reboxed! he said, That for most people using them on there type 4 stuff never see the articulation we were shooting for- He even referred to- for street use you would never know the difference!! we went with used real type 4 stuff from Havasuejoe and solved all our problems...... the ones i got looked to be in great shape!!! I'm only guessing, but Him getting 12 sets might be tall order........ Good luck and, If any thing, stick with a true type 4 stuff!
now to take it a step further here-- one of the guys involved in this had bought no name "type 4 cvs" from the net--they were trouble from the begining- no where near the articulation, one cage blew apart ( this is a single port 1500 car)! so we disassembled them and started measuring everything and comparing to blindchickens info- low and behold not one thing match a type 4 cv! and all the measurements did not add up to any one type of cv! it was a basket of parts cv as we called it! pure crap that left a little ol 1500 car stranded on the side of the road!
Now for the empi's- I do not remember the exact details of or measurements but they were NOT type four all thru! I set my drooop up with a old "real" type four cv's on my car, then went and bought new Empi "thing axles and cv's. they did not come close to same droop!
lesson learned- just Stick with real german type 4 stuff.....
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smileyman3000
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I'm not really keen on buying EMPI CVs as I have been hearing from a number of people that they are just Type 2 bus ones with different stickers on them.
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SamT
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Keep in mind the EMPI replacement axles are actually T2 cv's in most cases and won't articulate as far as a real T4. And the 100mm off road joints are junk if you want to run them on the street at all, I wouldn't recommend them at all due to vibration/binding issues WAY below max articulation.
Used T4 joints are the way to go. |
Im gonna have to call BS. I run my rail 100+Mph on occasion on pavement, ect and have 0 vibrations. Also make some 200 mile trail/pavement/dirt road runs.
I must be running a different part number. Are yall talking about the 24* offroad bus CV's? At full droop mine sit at 24*, ive never had one that wouldnt and ive run them on 3cars. |
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HERC
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I don't' think empi sells a type 4.
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I have a set I pulled from a Porsche 944. I'd sell them if you're interested in used...
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Yeah, I'm not gonna screw with em, going 930's to forget about it.
I don't ever wanna think that my balls don't measure up.
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Keep in mind the EMPI replacement axles are actually T2 cv's in most cases and won't articulate as far as a real T4. And the 100mm off road joints are junk if you want to run them on the street at all, I wouldn't recommend them at all due to vibration/binding issues WAY below max articulation.
Used T4 joints are the way to go. |
Im gonna have to call BS. I run my rail 100+Mph on occasion on pavement, ect and have 0 vibrations. Also make some 200 mile trail/pavement/dirt road runs.
I must be running a different part number. Are yall talking about the 24* offroad bus CV's? At full droop mine sit at 24*, ive never had one that wouldnt and ive run them on 3cars. |
No BS. The offroad bus CV's I put on my car caused vibrations on sweeping turns under power. I didn't think it could be the new CV's causing it so I replaced a lot of other parts trying to fix it. After about 1500 miles or so on them a couple of the inner stars had enough wear on the splines to cause a clunk in the drivetrain when changing gears or on takeoff. Switched back to used T4's from ebay and all is good again.
I could move the CV joints around and the vibration would change, so not all 4 of them were junk, but 2-3 were and that's pretty bad odds for new parts. The vibration occured far from max droop, probably at 15 degrees.
The CV's I got were the 98-5085 that were linked. I'm not saying they are all junk, but my set definitely had issues, and other people have had issues with them as well.
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smileyman3000
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys. Loving this healthy discussion. It's good to get feedback from a variety of people.
These appear to just be Bus CVs, which I can buy locally if I wanted them. The ball sizes are wrong for Type 4 going by the measurements they have given.
I have purchased a set of 944 complete axles of American eBay which will be making their way over shortly.
But if anyone can give me a link to new TYPE 4 CVs that I can buy I would be very much be interested so I can have prices/options for the future.
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