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So Cal Baja
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 Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:24 pm Post subject: Lifting a link pin question |
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| What's the easiest way to lift a link pin front end? |
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Vanapplebomb
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Got a welder? Cut the center anchors out, rotate then a quarter inch, weld them back into place. If you lose the bump stops, you can get more travel and more lift without having a stupid harsh ride...aka, riding on the stops. You will need to make new shock towers and use longer shocks if you go this rout. It's not hard to do though.
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So Cal Baja
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Vanapplebomb wrote: |
| Got a welder? Cut the center anchors out, rotate then a quarter inch, weld them back into place. If you lose the bump stops, you can get more travel and more lift without having a stupid harsh ride...aka, riding on the stops. You will need to make new shock towers and use longer shocks if you go this rout. It's not hard to do though. |
What about just doing trailing arms? Will that lift it or do I need to cut and turn the beam? Sorry. It's been about 12 years since I've had a VW and all my old cars where lowered. |
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DHale_510
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Longer trailing arms will increase leverage and lower the car, plus it will move the wheels back into the wells, but they will travel farther with the same rotation angle.
There never was a short cut that worked....
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So Cal Baja
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| DHale_510 wrote: |
Longer trailing arms will increase leverage and lower the car, plus it will move the wheels back into the wells, but they will travel farther with the same rotation angle.
There never was a short cut that worked....
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Thank you for your help. I guess it's time to cut and turn. |
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griffs68
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| you could get lift spindles.... easier then cut and turn |
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dustymojave
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| you could get lift spindles.... easier then cut and turn |
Easier maybe, but more $$$$. Especially if you can weld decent.
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Vanapplebomb
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| So Cal Baja wrote: |
| Vanapplebomb wrote: |
| Got a welder? Cut the center anchors out, rotate then a quarter inch, weld them back into place. If you lose the bump stops, you can get more travel and more lift without having a stupid harsh ride...aka, riding on the stops. You will need to make new shock towers and use longer shocks if you go this rout. It's not hard to do though. |
What about just doing trailing arms? Will that lift it or do I need to cut and turn the beam? Sorry. It's been about 12 years since I've had a VW and all my old cars where lowered. |
Lift, yes, maybe a bit...but you will effectively have a softer suspension due to the larger moment on the torsions.
Longer arms really should be used with stronger torsions or coil over shocks...the real coil overs. Expect them to cost a couple hundred a pop. Not cheap. Best budget way to lift is a cut and turn.
Can you weld? Do it yourself. It isn't hard to do. if you can't, maybe a friend of yours will trade his time for a six pack? 
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CSEBug
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| So guys just to be sure you can cut and turn without disassembling the whole front end? (i.e. pulling the spindles, leaves etc.) |
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Sandjunky
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| I haven't done it yet, but you are able to do it without disassembly. You cannot chop saw it straight through. You would use an angle grinder and cut around the beams. You would have to remove your spindles so the trailing arms can move independently of each other though. That way you can work on each beam independently and have one support the other instead of both being cut at the same time. |
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Vanapplebomb
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| So guys just to be sure you can cut and turn without disassembling the whole front end? (i.e. pulling the spindles, leaves etc.) |
I did mine assembled. Just do one tube at a time to keep things aligned. To get some leverage to twist the center section with the beam assembled, I tacked on a foot and a half-ish long piece of scrap metal. Used a clamp to lock it down where I wanted so I could tack it up, and then weld all the way around. Weld it up in short sections with plenty to time between to let things cool. The grease in the beam ocationaly catches fire as it thins and seeps out along the weld. No problem though. If fire scares you, just take a damp wash cloth along and cover the burning grease that falls out with it. That will put it out in short order.
Haha, wow, people actually watch that video. I haven't bothered to check it since I posted it up last year. 
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Haha, wow, people actually watch that video. I haven't bothered to check it since I posted it up last year.
Definitely the best video I've seen. I was a little surprised that there isn't a ton of informational vids online given that so many people still use vw front beams on rails. |
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