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raygreenwood
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| Railboy the Bosch 010, blue coil and 09001 wires are as good as you need for a street driven car with carb engine. Actually the Pertronix Flamethrower coils are better and cheaper then a Bosch blue coil. They have a quicker recovery rate and produce a stronger spark above 5000 RPM's. For an engine with carbs you will get 3-4 more MPG with a Bosch 034 SVDA but they are NLA. crankfire ignitions are a waste of money on any street engine with carbs, and so are the CB programmable dist. and black box. For a cheap back up a Bosch 009 will work fine. |
X2 on the flamethrower coil.
I know its a noticeable difference with a module (probably with points too...just havent used them in 30 years)....on a street car with moderate to high compression and EFI. Ray |
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RailBoy
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So for those who know, are the Flame Thrower Coils holding up better now days? At one time they were failing a few years back at times. RB
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Scott Novak
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| For a cheap back up a Bosch 009 will work fine. |
Consider a 009 to be the equivalent of those little space saver donut spare tires that everyone hates.
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Glenn 
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| For a cheap back up a Bosch 009 will work fine. |
Consider a 009 to be the equivalent of those little space saver donut spare tires that everyone hates.
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A "space saver" is only good for 50 miles and 50mph max.
A 009, will work, just not give the best performance. Many people have them for 20+ years... they just don't know what they're missing.
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bluebus86
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:47 am Post subject: Re: 2 Liter+ Size Ignition Set-Ups |
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Hello All, Have a quick question for people who know what is a good affordable and reliable Ignition Set-Up for a 2 Liter+ size engine, a 2180?
I am looking for something comparable to a Bosch 010, Blue Coil, and also Bosch Silicon Plug Wires.
Point, I have the set-up above, but what else is out there that is in the same coast range, easy to set-up and use, plus works well and reliable?
I know there are some crazy set-ups that people use from the drag race crowd, but, I am or do not feel I am in that league....
Thanks for ya'lls time, and Happy Holiday... RB |
the ignition system in my Porsche 914 2 liter is not much different than that in my 1970 Bug bone stock. The factory did not think you needed any fancy ignition system for a 2 liter motor. use the stock system, but I like the pertronix points eliminator on both my Bug and my 914. stock wires and plug.
choose a dizzie that will give you the advance and retard you want, but that really is a choice made on the cam, motor rpm carbs, and other factors than simply displacement only.
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udidwht
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| RailBoy wrote: |
| So for those who know, are the Flame Thrower Coils holding up better now days? At one time they were failing a few years back at times. RB |
4+ years now on my 40k Flamethrower and no problems.
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96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
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RailBoy
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udidwht, what kind of set-up are your running your Flame Thrower with?
Thanks for the input, at one time people were saying they had issues.. RB
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udidwht
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| RailBoy wrote: |
udidwht, what kind of set-up are your running your Flame Thrower with?
Thanks for the input, at one time people were saying they had issues.. RB |
It's in my sig above...or below.
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
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RailBoy
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udidwht, Reads like a Nutty Set-Up, bet she runs though.. RB
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udidwht
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| udidwht, Reads like a Nutty Set-Up, bet she runs though.. RB |
Runs like a dream...listen. The last 2 were when I was jetting with an L-M2, vac gauge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EoAeY8dG0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ObUMPCHw1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGLD67F9DQ
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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RailBoy
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Been a bit, but wondering something? What is the Vacuum Rate of a Engle 120 Cam, is it enough for a 034 SVDA?
Thing is I am not even sure of what Vacuum Rate that an 034 SVDA Needs to operate correctly....
Anyone know what up with the above, like to hear some input... RB
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64delux
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In Australia I can buy a Magna spark with a Vac reference kit easier and cheaper than a 010 Bosch.
Wouldn't i be better off with the new Magnaspark than a old mechanical only? |
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Glenn
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In Australia I can buy a Magna spark with a Vac reference kit easier and cheaper than a 010 Bosch.
Wouldn't i be better off with the new Magnaspark than a old mechanical only? |
Can't possibly say without engine specs.
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64delux
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In Australia I can buy a Magna spark with a Vac reference kit easier and cheaper than a 010 Bosch.
Wouldn't i be better off with the new Magnaspark than a old mechanical only? |
Can't possibly say without engine specs. |
*2074 CC Bus For drivability and Torque
*New case
*DRD L5 heads 40 x 35
*Web 218
*Scat 1.25 Rocker set
*Scat 78 mm Crank
*92 TW P&B set
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ps2375
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I have the HEI dist in my car that was put in it back in the last century and I can gap the plugs at .045-.060" and never miss a beat. And have plenty of spark energy to rev above 6k rpm. Over this winter I'll be bumping cr to 9:1 and installing a 1 5/8" header to allow the exhaust side to breathe. Then 3rd and 4th gears should feel much better in the upper rpm's. And this motor starts as good or better than my water-cooled VW's do/did.
And I would have to agree, engine size would have little to do with ign type. CR and RPM range would be the specs to have an influence on IGN system design.
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NobyDoby
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Besides the CB Performance Black Box there is another solution that deals with low vacuüm signal, has very little scatter, works with just about every coil: The 123Tune from 123Ignition (Not suitable for race purposes! But supports up to 8000rpm).
You can create your own curves specific for you combo and adjust your vacuum advance curve to the vac-signal that you have available.
Combine it with Bosch Silicon Plug Wires, a decent coil and NGK Triple electode spark plugs and you'll have a good and semi-affordable ignition (€349,- in Europe) that runs smooth and give you also decent gas mileage.
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Flowed AMC 39x33mm heads with Porsche swivel adjusters and CR 8.0:1
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Original VW CU Bus Hydro Cam w/Febi Hydro Followers
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udidwht
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Been a bit, but wondering something? What is the Vacuum Rate of a Engle 120 Cam, is it enough for a 034 SVDA?
Thing is I am not even sure of what Vacuum Rate that an 034 SVDA Needs to operate correctly....
Anyone know what up with the above, like to hear some input... RB |
The overall vacuum rate will be determined by the end set up. That said...anything other than stock and it will likely be less overall vacuum.
The 034 distributors don't require much overall vacuum to operate. One just needs to find the right fit vac can for it to function optimally. In the end any vacuum advance will be better than none.
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1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
73 Web Cam w/Web solids
Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module (7.5 initial 28 total @ 3400rpm)
Bosch W8CC plugs
Pertronix Flamethrower 40K coil
S&S 4-1 w/Walker QP 17862
3 rib 002 Trans
185R14 Hankook tires |
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LivinInnaVWBus
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My experiences with the 009, both German and Brazilian is that they don't last very long. Because of wear one of them began over advancing. I think something like 29 degrees when I discovered the problem.
Scott Novak |
I bought a NOS German 009 from BugCity about ten years ago, it went 300k in my thing, probably 75k in my 67 beetle and now is sitting in my ex girlfriends 74 bug with who knows how many miles. |
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