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vdubyah73
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Location: somewhere in Texas, my house has wheels
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vdubyah73
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Joined: July 05, 2003
Posts: 2541
Location: somewhere in Texas, my house has wheels
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 Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:03 am Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
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Didn't the stick shift come out of the dashboard on them too?
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I am correct but barely. The first year of production was dash mounted and used a rod. In 73 they were floor mount and used a cable.
https://www.netcarshow.com/renault/1971-5_tl/
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73 bounty hunter, sold.
'77 transporter, junked had crotch rot.
Dubless, but have a CPR built stroker waiting for a new to me Beetle
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ach60 
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Joined: May 14, 2001
Posts: 4139
Location: Santa Maria
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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Well that's cool, I learned something new.
I'd been seeing a lot of the Cat trucks around lately, and went to the Cat site, and saw them there.
I never even thought Cat would put anything but a Cat Engine in their truck.
A 1000 years ago when I was living in Peoria, the Cat boys where a proud bunch, and never would have done such a thing.
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Ran When Parked
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Joined: September 26, 2013
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Location: Birmingham, AL
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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I am quite upset by this news. It is deceitful what VW has been doing since 2009 with diesel emissions. Considering the research and data on climate change issues, to purposefully behave the way VW has is unacceptable. 
We were planning to trade our 12 Jetta sportwagen for a new golf sportwagen. I don't think we will anymore. Looking for other thoughts/opinions. |
"The Volkswagen agreement calls for a record product buyback, which will require the company to repurchase from consumers, at market price, as many as four hundred and seventy thousand or so automobiles with model years 2009 through 2015, ..."
http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-vol...picks=true |
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Zundfolge1432
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Joined: June 13, 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
| vdubyah73 wrote: |
Didn't the stick shift come out of the dashboard on them too?
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... that was a Honda car thing... the early 70s air cooled N600 and then again in 2002 to 2005 in the awesome Honda Civic Si... |
Here it is again 2014 prius. Awesome yes.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| VWinVT wrote: |
I am quite upset by this news. It is deceitful what VW has been doing since 2009 with diesel emissions. Considering the research and data on climate change issues, to purposefully behave the way VW has is unacceptable.
We were planning to trade our 12 Jetta sportwagen for a new golf sportwagen. I don't think we will anymore. Looking for other thoughts/opinions. |
"The Volkswagen agreement calls for a record product buyback, which will require the company to repurchase from consumers, at market price, as many as four hundred and seventy thousand or so automobiles with model years 2009 through 2015, ..."
http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-vol...picks=true |
Talk is cheap lets see what happens. I'm betting they weasel out, public has short attention span anyway |
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TDCTDI
Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013
Posts: 12846
Location: North Carolina
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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Customer just called me today because of this dilemma, VW has offered him almost all of his original sticker price but he doesn't want to relinquish his '14 TDI. I told him think of it as driving the car for free for 2.5 years.
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Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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TDCTDI
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Location: North Carolina
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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While the general public has a short attention span, the EPA & the Fed does not. Unless you're a politician.
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Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:12 am Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| There is not even enough room to cite all the examples of multinational corporations screwing the consumers up to and including killing folks. The lobbyists and scores of lawyers will ensure a favorable outcome for VW. To think otherwise is at best naive and ignores history. I wish it were different as well. |
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itskyle
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Joined: October 04, 2013
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Location: Plainfield, IN
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| There is not even enough room to cite all the examples of multinational corporations screwing the consumers up to and including killing folks. The lobbyists and scores of lawyers will ensure a favorable outcome for VW. To think otherwise is at best naive and ignores history. I wish it were different as well. |
With a favorable outcome from lawyers and other scheisters....
VW still has a PR fiasco to address... Or, would they just wait on America's typically short attention span?
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| You can't fault the lawyers or the lobbyists,they are just doing their jobs. |
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weisswurst
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Joined: May 07, 2013
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Location: south florida
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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I got my buyback amount today on our 09 tdi wagon and it's 10K short of what we paid back then but the saddest part is I really can't buy another one right now if I wanted to because they can't sell any yet.
Also there is no replacement product from any other automaker in diesel for the price (even new price) because VW/Audi basically cornered the market it seems.
really not happy right now....
also our last payment is next month and it would have been paid off so VW got my interest on payments. |
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KTPhil
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Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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Interesting contrast...
$18B cost to VW for their pollution, which despite the "40X" headline is large but not the biggest amount in the real world of industrial pollution.
Last year our regional gas company created the largest natural gas leak (a very active greenhouse gas) in history, and get a $4M fine from Los Angeles. Estimated $0.7B cost when finally settled.
VW pollution: 14,000 to 59,000 tons of additional nitrogen oxides.
SoCalGas leak pollution: 93,000 tons of methane.
VW's action was intentional.
SoCalGas's action was gross negligence after being specifically warned about removing safety valves.
So 2X-5X times the pollution, but 1/25th of the cost. Seem fair and balanced to you?
Tells you who has the better lobbyists... |
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Cali_Army_Guy
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Location: Stockton, CA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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I got my buyback amount today on our 09 tdi wagon and it's 10K short of what we paid back then but the saddest part is I really can't buy another one right now if I wanted to because they can't sell any yet.
Also there is no replacement product from any other automaker in diesel for the price (even new price) because VW/Audi basically cornered the market it seems.
really not happy right now....
also our last payment is next month and it would have been paid off so VW got my interest on payments. |
Why would you sell it? It's almost paid off. If I had a TDI there's no chance I'd sell it.
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[email protected]
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| A coworker of mine LOVES his TDI, and has no interest in selling back to VW, or getting it "fixed". Now what? I am sure there are many others thinking the same thing. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| A coworker of mine LOVES his TDI, and has no interest in selling back to VW, or getting it "fixed". Now what? I am sure there are many others thinking the same thing. |
In most (if not all) states, you will fail your next smog test if it is not "fixed," and won't be able to renew the registration. |
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Cali_Army_Guy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| A coworker of mine LOVES his TDI, and has no interest in selling back to VW, or getting it "fixed". Now what? I am sure there are many others thinking the same thing. |
In most (if not all) states, you will fail your next smog test if it is not "fixed," and won't be able to renew the registration. |
How will they know if it's fixed or not? It'll pass the test in the non fixed condition obviously. Will the smog shop be able to tell what version of software your car has?
If I owned one I'd just find a shop willing to cheat like I did when I had my WS6 Trans Am. $200 every two years and it passes. Despite having headers, no cats, aftermarket cam, etc. Weird 
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mark tucker
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| well...there are oh somany cars&trucks with emission equipment that has been deleated/removed......but...not by the mfg company. |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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some of you folks haven't owned these TDI's long enough...they are f*cking garbage...
run, because when they break, and they will, it will cost you more than you know to fix.
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... |
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| A coworker of mine LOVES his TDI, and has no interest in selling back to VW, or getting it "fixed". Now what? I am sure there are many others thinking the same thing. |
In most (if not all) states, you will fail your next smog test if it is not "fixed," and won't be able to renew the registration. |
How will they know if it's fixed or not? It'll pass the test in the non fixed condition obviously. Will the smog shop be able to tell what version of software your car has?
If I owned one I'd just find a shop willing to cheat like I did when I had my WS6 Trans Am. $200 every two years and it passes. Despite having headers, no cats, aftermarket cam, etc. Weird |
Testing is far more sophisticated now, and "cheater shops" are soon out of business. They do statistical analysis of test results and the cheaters stick out like a sore thumb.
Testing includes a reading of software versions through the port, and if yours isn't updated, you flunk before they start the engine.
Cheating used to be easy, then it got hard, and now it's darn near impossible, at least in California.
And with the reputation the VW diesels have, they will be out to spot them.
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