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Lucho Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: Fort walton beach
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:38 pm Post subject: 2 New Buses, 1974 Westfalia and 1971 transporter |
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Hello everybody,
I am new to the forum and mew to VW's. I have only been looking around the site for a few weeks and this is my first post.
A few weeks ago I Saw an add on CL for 2 vw buses. The seller had no pictures and no description. All he said was he had 2 buses, 1 for parts and the other could be restored. I got curious and decided to go see them just because he had a real low price. When I showed up I saw two buses that in my untrained eyes, looked like they where too far gone and there was no way I would buy them. When I left the sellers house I called a buddy who I knew loved VWs and told him about the buses. He started screaming at me to go back and buy them so I decided to listen to him for some reason.
Anyway now thanks to my friend, now I have 2 buses and I am completely hooked.
My plan is to restore the westy for now and probably sell the transporter at some time. I have done a couple of things to the westy already so heres a few of the things I have done. I got pretty lucky because the engine started up the first day. I have read that I probably shouldnt have done that, but it wasnt for long since it stalled out pretty quickly. Anyways with my buddies help, we rebuilt the carb, set the timing and adjusted the valves. After doing that the bus started up and idles for a good 30 seconds until it stalled out. When we tried to figure out why it stalled, we looked at the gasoline first and eventhough it was brand new gas, It was coming out tomatoe red. So what I did the next day was take the gas tank out. I managed to get it out without lowering the engine. It took some time but after an hour and after a few cuts on my hand we got it out. After that I took the Cv joints and axles out because the boots where all torn up. Thats pretty much all I have done for now. I plan on replacing all of the gas lines and after that probably work on the breaks.
Sorry about such a long post. Please everybody feel free to help me out with any advice as to what I should do next. I plan on updating the thread everytime I do stuff And Ill come here for any questions I have.
Thanks in advance.
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to TheSamba!
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Bala Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2003 Posts: 2613 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Welcome!
Love the '74 Westy! Actually looks really solid from here.
Get it safe, on the road and start camping! _________________ 1976 Westy
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1967250s Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Welcome, Ft Walton! Tell us more about the Buses. get some pics of the engines up close, what works, what doesn't, where the rust is underneath. Got Bentley? Many will tell you right off, if you have a single progressive carb, it is not the best unless it is carefully tuned with correct jets. There is a thread on progressive carbs, but many (including me) will tell you to get dual carbs. Perfect car for FL. _________________ '72 Elm Green Deluxe |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:17 am Post subject: |
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It's a surf bus...you can change into your surf gear...... _________________ .ssS! |
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Lucho Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: Fort walton beach
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hello everybody,
Thanks for the replies. First off the Bentley should arrive by Friday so I have that already. Im gona talk to you guys just about the westy so that I don't have to specify what bus Im talking about every time I say something. The transporter is awesome and I love that it used to belong to a surf shop. I actually looked up the name Secret Spot Surf Shop and it is still in business. I was told the bus was originally from North Carolina and the shop is located there so it must be true. The thing with that bus is that the engine is completely torn apart and inside of the bus. It has lots of parts in there I actually still haven't completely gone through everything inside the bus, but Im gona leave it until I actually fix the Westy first. If I don't sell it before.
Anyways, the westy is very solid. The worst rusted area is the drivers side floor pan. The accelerator is gone because the spot where it went is now a rust hole. I just ordered all the pieces to replace the pedal including the accelerator cable that was missing. I already cut and sort of molded a piece of metal to cover the hole. I just need to weld or rivet it now and then hook up the pedal. The other rusted area is the battery tray but it has a piece of metal in there and the battery is sort of all right in there. Im gona have to fix it before I drive it though.
Other then that, rust isn't too bad. theres a few spots here and there but that's it. The inside furniture is almost complete. It came with the back seat/z bed but im missing the trunk piece of the bed. The bed that goes on the top of the camper is complete and both beds have the original orange plaid fabric. I also found the childs cot underneath the seat and its still solid. The canvas is torn as you can see in the pictures and I am gona have to replace it. It also came with a screen for the back screen I think, but that also has some holes. It also had the original Manual and dealers booklet in there. One of the nice things about it is that it has original A/C installed. It has all the hoses and stuff but unfortunately its missing the compressor which Im told is impossible to find. The Laminate is also bad on some of the furniture so I might end up replacing that at some time. Thats pretty much it on aesthetics.
My focus will be to get it running first though. Like I said before my next step for now is to reinstall the cv joints and axles with new lube and to clean and reinstall the gas tank. I ordered a new fuel filler neck, the gas cap, gas filters, accelerator cable and a few things for the cv joints that I needed. I will also be buying all new fuel lines to replace them all. Hopefully clean gas will stop the stalling and backfiring and Ill be closer to driving it.
After reinstalling both things I am going to work on the breaks and on the electrical. Nothing electrical turns on, but that I will tackle that, and probably ask you guys a bunch of questions, when I get to that part. Hopefully that will get me on the road. |
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Lucho Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: Fort walton beach
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Ok so here are my first couple of questions. First I need help identifying this part. I found it inside of the gas tank when I pulled it out.
Does anybody know what that is?
Also, i have read that replacing the fuel lines should be a priority and I plan on doing that this weekend. I also read that there are some fuel lines that are not too easy to find. I looked for a while but i just see the line that goes from the tank to the pump, and pump to carb. Are these the only 2 I should replace?
Heres the picture of how the fuel filter looked
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16954 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I have no idea what that part could be. Maybe someone thought the fuel filler port would make a nice home for it. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Happyfolk Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2014 Posts: 183 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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You gotta save those "Secret Spot Surf Shop" logos! _________________ '79 Westfalia Deluxe Campmobile, 2.0L CA FI, Mexico Beige |
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secretsubmariner Champagne Wrangler
Joined: January 08, 2011 Posts: 3104 Location: Tulsa, OK
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Lucho wrote: |
I looked for a while but i just see the line that goes from the tank to the pump, and pump to carb. Are these the only 2 I should replace? |
Essentially. I guess with that logic you would have come to the conclusion that the line betwixt the pump and filter must also be changed. This may be of some assitance, it has a diagram.
German Supply Fuel Line Kit
German Supply makes decent fuel line kits with everything you need. I'm unsure what exactly your set up looks like, but here's a start. Also, Idk what your thingy is that you pulled out. Good luck _________________ -Tony
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secretsubmariner Champagne Wrangler
Joined: January 08, 2011 Posts: 3104 Location: Tulsa, OK
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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do you have dual carbs? single carb? Fuel Injection? Hamster on a wheel?
How about a few engine pics before any more questions about engine-y type things?
That'll help us help you, dude _________________ -Tony
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irvanm Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2008 Posts: 609 Location: Lawrence, Kansas
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Cool bus(s), I covet the Westfalia. |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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It's a cut open fuel filter, I think. _________________ .ssS! |
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Point of terminology: The rear bed in a Westy is a Westy bed, not a Z-bed. Z-beds are a different third party option for transforming a regular transporter rear seat into a (rather uncomfortable) bed.
No need for the fancy German Supply kit on this one. Those are really great for FI systems, though.
Yu will need to climb under the bus with a light and hunt around for the port that comes out of the bottom of the gas tank. Follow that to see where it goes. If it is the original setup, it will go to the fuel pump that is on the front of the engine (front means front of the car, a la John Muir) and you may run into the fuel filter along the way. You do want the fuel filter to be upstream of the pump. From the outlet of the fuel filter a line will penetrate the tin into the engine compartment and go to the carburetor(s).
Or, if the original mechanical pump has been bypassed, the fuel line will somehow find its way to an electric aftermarket fuel pump, installed wherever someone decided to install it. From that pump, there should be lines to the carburetor(s).
Note that fuel line diameters differ along the way.
There are also fuel lines that need attention that are harder to get to: You will need to inspect the fuel filler neck for cracks, (through the gas cap, and on the inside behind the removable black "pie plate" to the right of the engine). The filler neck leads to a hose or pipe that hooks up to the tank. To get to this, and all the other rubber fuel plumbing on top of the tank, you will need to remove the gray firewall (there are screws on the bottom!)
But wait, there's more! There are fuel vent lines that you will follow from the top of the tank up into the air intake towers and back into the engine compartment. All of these have little fuel hose connections that need to be replaced.
Have fun! Think of it as a rite of passage into the realm of VW bus expertise! _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Might be what is left of a locking gas cap,
This will give you the idea.
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Lucho Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: Fort walton beach
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Happyfolk wrote: |
You gotta save those "Secret Spot Surf Shop" logos! |
Yes, I plan on leaving that one just like that. I think it looks awesome
secretsubmariner wrote: |
do you have dual carbs? single carb? Fuel Injection? Hamster on a wheel |
it has a single progressive carb, and I will get the pictures. I took one but it looks too dark so Ill get better ones.
jtauxe wrote: |
Point of terminology: The rear bed in a Westy is a Westy bed, not a Z-bed. Z-beds are a different third party option for transforming a regular transporter rear seat into a (rather uncomfortable) bed.
No need for the fancy German Supply kit on this one. Those are really great for FI systems, though.
Yu will need to climb under the bus with a light and hunt around for the port that comes out of the bottom of the gas tank. Follow that to see where it goes. If it is the original setup, it will go to the fuel pump that is on the front of the engine (front means front of the car, a la John Muir) and you may run into the fuel filter along the way. You do want the fuel filter to be upstream of the pump. From the outlet of the fuel filter a line will penetrate the tin into the engine compartment and go to the carburetor(s).
Or, if the original mechanical pump has been bypassed, the fuel line will somehow find its way to an electric aftermarket fuel pump, installed wherever someone decided to install it. From that pump, there should be lines to the carburetor(s).
Note that fuel line diameters differ along the way.
There are also fuel lines that need attention that are harder to get to: You will need to inspect the fuel filler neck for cracks, (through the gas cap, and on the inside behind the removable black "pie plate" to the right of the engine). The filler neck leads to a hose or pipe that hooks up to the tank. To get to this, and all the other rubber fuel plumbing on top of the tank, you will need to remove the gray firewall (there are screws on the bottom!)
But wait, there's more! There are fuel vent lines that you will follow from the top of the tank up into the air intake towers and back into the engine compartment. All of these have little fuel hose connections that need to be replaced.
Have fun! Think of it as a rite of passage into the realm of VW bus expertise! |
Yes, the line went from the fuel tank to the mechanical pump and then to the carb. I actually already took all those lines out when I took the tank out. I also just received the filler neck this morning since mine was cracked. What I do need to get still are the vent lines you talked about. Thanks for the information. Im dying to finish all this and start riding it!
Tcash wrote: |
Might be what is left of a locking gas cap,
This will give you the idea. |
Yes I think thats it! The bus only had the top part of the gas cap when I got it. It must have just fallen in there.
Thanks for that diagram, that helps a lot.
Ill keep you guys posted when I keep working on it this weekend.
Thanks for all the help. |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:46 am Post subject: |
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jtauxe wrote: |
Point of terminology: The rear bed in a Westy is a Westy bed, not a Z-bed. Z-beds are a different third party option for transforming a regular transporter rear seat into a (rather uncomfortable) bed. |
THANK you. I totally agree with your definition. Z-Bed was an altogether different company and I get weary of surfing the ads for those rare parts... only to find yet another thrashed Westfalia plywood and yellow vinyl bed.
My first experience with the Z-Bed was in my 1977 CE-1, and it was a joy. It leveled the rear bench seat cushions with the cargo bay deck. Yes, you will need an air mattress or pad. |
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secretsubmariner Champagne Wrangler
Joined: January 08, 2011 Posts: 3104 Location: Tulsa, OK
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:42 am Post subject: |
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jtauxe wrote: |
No need for the fancy German Supply kit on this one. Those are really great for FI systems, though.
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Note that fuel line diameters differ along the way.
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Couldn't agree more, John! I linked it for the diagram and hose dimensions, and it can never hurt to become familiar with the more popular/reliable vendors. Although it doesn't appear as though the image on GS is expandable...so maybe the dimensions will be unreadable. D'oh!
Surely on a single carb you'll find everything you need at the friendly local auto parts store! _________________ -Tony
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Pinetops Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Cool buses, I like them both. The westy looks to have some bondo and a repaint in the driver's side rear panel and corner. Expect that area to be dented and/or rusted. You should keep them both if you can. Those are two of the best year buses to have. _________________ "A rolling bus gathers no rust." |
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Lucho Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: Fort walton beach
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think I made a mistake, I took all cv joints off to clean but I just read that the parts shouldnt be mixed up. I mixed all of them up completely while cleaning. How serious is this?? They look pretty mich the same to me.
Also is there a trick for putting those cv boots on? I was having a hard time putting them on amd I even made a hole om one of them. They seem like they are waaaay to tight and dont really fit the axle. |
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