Englishtown NJ Fall Show and Go, October 18th, 2015

[73sports]

I think a big problem for people is that the racetrack itself is just a sea of blacktop. There is no grass or trees, or anything to bring a recreational feel. The aircooled show is just two very long parking lot rows, so if you bring a type 3, you get parked waaay away from your buddy that brought a bay window camper. We are paying top dollar to get into this show, and the show part of it doesn't have a lot to offer. Of course it costs even more to show a vehicle.
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[EMPIImp69]

Why not just make the Flanders show twice per year (spring and fall) and leave E-town RP for Watercooled and racing? E-town also has Waterfest anyway.
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[Karzapart55]

Why not stop at the Chimney Rock mon 16. for the CJVWS meeting. Topic 1 will be E-Town

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For those of us who are not club members or can not make the meeting, I think that it is important we make our feelings/opinion known here.
I think abandoning the RWP shows and "leaving them for the water cooled and race crowd" is a horrible idea. Why would you want to try and KILL a VW event in your home state and drive the already shrinking hobby further into the ground? I do understand RWP should be more open to suggestions, possibly communicate more with the club and a host of other things... I also believe management will be taking a more active roll this year in ALL events/planning because possibly they have realized MORE THEN JUST THE VW SHOW has begun to slip. I do hope this trickles down to the VW show and it can improve. Jumping ship is not the answer.

For those of you who think I am just internet soap bocing....for the past 5+ years I have put $500 out of pocket to sponsor the races in spring and fall events and I do not own a business. I have not missed a VW event there in 10+ years and started an all VW Race series which tours the northeast and made Englishtown one of our race dates to help and add some alure back to the event.

[Karzapart55]

RP's silence on this matter is deafening

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How did the meeting go on Monday night?

[Bucky]

Hey everyone. For those of you who don't know me, I'm with CJVWS and am one of many folks involved in the Englishtown Show and Go each year. I want to thank everyone for providing feedback, good or bad. While this most recent event was notably lighter in attendance, this is still a great show and worth working to improve. I believe that the cold weather and other major events scheduled within a week or two of this year's show were factors in the lower turnout, but were certainly not the only issues and a few of the comments here point to long standing items.

I would like to mention that prior to the Fall show, Raceway Park approached CJVWS and indicated a strong desire to do more to improve the quality of this event for all attendees. I feel this says a lot about the track's intentions and desire to provide a good show for you all and not just collect admission.

CJVWS is planning to meet with the track soon and present your and our concerns and propose ideas that we hope will ultimately make this a better show. The biggest action items we've identified are cost of admission, location of spectator parking, and overall appeal of the event. While I'm certain reducing admission won't be on the table, improving the overall experience by correcting the parking and providing attendees more to do and see is in our control and will make an immediate impact. I'll post more after we meet with Englishtown, but I just wanted you all to know that we are taking your concerns seriously and will do our best to have them addressed to the best of our ability.

This is a local event that I've been attending myself for over 15 years and don't want to see it go the way of Atco. For all you who enjoy taking an afternoon and sharing your hobby with friends, trolling the swap for deals, and checking out the show and racing - please continue to support the event as I'm confident it will get better.

Lastly, thank you Spotspeed for doing so much individually to help boost the racing attendance and putting your time and money into this for your love of the hobby. If there's anything at all CJVWS can do to try and help you on the racing front please PM me. I plan to run my 67 down the track this Spring after hearing how much fun it was from a couple newbie racers!

Thanks everyone!
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[MMW]

In my view all the "noise & chatter" about this show going on now is the best thing for it. As someone said earlier & I agree that there never seems to be much excitement or posting about it prior to the event. The more people talk about it the more people will be curious & want to at least try it once to see in person how good or bad it is.

My ideas

Just wondering - How many cars actually pay to display vs. how many pay the extra money to be eligible for a trophy? I think it should just be one fee.

As far as entry fees I think if you are showing a car the passenger should get a discount. Maybe $30 to show & $10 for one passenger.

I mentioned before. Maybe open it up to other German cars. Some shows have a non-VW class.

As far as dates it is very hard to spread out the shows. In this area, NY, NJ, Pa there are so many shows that almost every weekend you can go to one. If two shows are in a row it is usually hard to do both.
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[79SuperVert]

Some car shows include a voucher good for a few bucks at any of the show food concessions. Might help soften the blow of the admission fee.
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[GLHTurbo]

[seansofthedead]

I'm with NoNeed on this one. RWP needs to have the parking on the same side as the show. As a vendor at the show cost me $50 to get in the gate with a helper, I would appreciate my customers being able to get to me with out walking a mile. This in the end cost me more since they don't want to purchess any thing large because they have to walk it to the next zip code where their car is parked. Is that really hard to ask for. Another question I have is why do we need to pay at a booth then drive 30ft to give our ticket to another person? Can we get rid of the second check point and get a lower entry fee.
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[Karzapart55]

And Raceway Park's response?.........Crickets

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Look...
Moving the dates will NOT improve the show.
Giving a food voucher will NOT improve the show.
Starting a thread earlier and with more responses to said thread will NOT improve the show.

Like I said at the onset of this firestorm, and I meant every word of it, was for the track to actually give a shit enough to park the spectators in the lot NEXT to the show like they usually do instead of a 10 minute walk away.
ESPECIALLY WITH A $20 ADMISSION COST.


Moving the show will NOT improve it, but a week EARLIER could be better as October weather is a crap shoot. Food voucher will not lower costs but could it POSSIBLY help? Yes. If the track wanted to to TRY THIS...would you complain? Starting a thread and having people respond WOULD help.....it worked on the racers front this year.
The spectators usually park in the lot near the lake correct? This was the first time in how long that they parked across the track? The last time was when?




Hell, I don't care if there's 50 things going on that day at the track...just park all of us VW people within a REASONABLE WALKING DISTANCE of each other.

I agree with this 100%. It is not out of the question. It should be that way. You also talked about over head...unfortunately every event, every person through the gate, any time of year helps off set it, and make a profit. It is not our responsibility....we dont care about it...but we all keep the track going



As a disabled person myself, and not seeing ANY dedicated handicapped parking that day for anyone attending this event, I have every right to say this, regardless if I used or took advantage of any dedicated parking spots or not.
I'm not asking for special treatment here.
Just park all of us on the same damn side of the track

You are correct, on the opposite side of the track, there is no designted handi capped parking. If you told them at the front gate, they probably would have let you on to the pit side. As far as the NORMAL parking..in the lot next to the lake, there are handi capped spots next to the curb line, upfront and center


And while we're at it....
Comparing anything going on at Raceway park to AAG is like comparing a $2 Newark crack whore to a $2000 call girl in Vegas.
There's just no comparison...so you might as well drop that line of thought.
Seriously.

[/b]All I did was say AAG raised their prices also. Was this due to over head? The hosting venue charging more? Whatever it was...someone needed to cover their bills and guess who gets charged...a customer. Same BASIC principle as RWP. Now granted...the AAG gathering is FAR SUPERIOR.....A DIFFERENT WORLD then the RWP event but at the core, someone had to cover their ass and the spectator pays. I love the AAG, supported it the last few years and I support the Central Jersey Club whole heartedly. I know these are 2 different animals.

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Did everyone happen to miss where Bucky said the track has approached the club about the event and they also have a meeting planned coming up???

That security after the gate is more so for people exiting the park to get a hand stamp. Yes, on the way in they do punch the ticket but it keeps people from trying to get back to the ticket booth when exiting and causing issues. They are there at EVERY event. Asking for them to be removed just for VW day is kind of ridiculous.

Did you guys know you can get into the VW event as a spectator for FREE?? Be a club volunteer. We spoke to one member this past event who has not paid in 11 years. Help the club...help the event...attend an event...all for free. Who wants to get on board with that?

Even if RWP and the Club can come up with ways to improve the show or work out the issues....will you attend? Will you show up or will you keep fueling the negative stigma attached to this show and just hope it dies and goes away? Will you tell your buddys "hey, lets go back and enjoy the day out"? Will you be part of the solution or someone who does not attend a home state show going into its 25th year?

[Karzapart55]

Spotspeed, I was at that meeting. RP did NOT approach us about the show. No one there was happy with their attitude or lack of one. There will be another meet with RP We will see if anything gets done. I don't understand why you defend them so vigorously. They either don't care, or they screwed up. Either way They should explain themselves. This forum would be the place,and would go a long way to making sure the show continues. I can practically walk there. I don't want to see the show gone,but something has to be done

[GLHTurbo]

If I recall they had the MotoX practice track running, the go kart track on the spectator parking lot running, motorcycle training class on the other half of the spectator parking lot, the VW Show and Go, some sort of "Spartan Race/Mud Run" type of thing in the beyond-the-pit side gravel parking lot (next to the lake), and they were running the 1/8th mile, which I never saw them run before. That left parking for the grass fields on the spectator side, Fall/Spring Swap Meet style.

The only way I can see this going back to "normal" is if the added Mud Run/Obstacle Course event isn't booked again, and no event on the 1/8th mile. Either events could have been from a rescheduled rain date perhaps? Hopefully that's the case, and next year it will be business as usual. Unfortunately the ACVW community isn't going to make any dent in their agenda.
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[seansofthedead]

I have been going to show n go religiously for the past 10 years. The negative comments should be considered constructive criticism not hate. The problem is the ACVW guys don't use the track that much. 90% are there for the swap and show. There to hang with friends and catch up with each other. This show has barley anything to keep us interested. The show is usually geared to the water pumpers as of now. We need to get back to our roots. If it wasn't for the Aircooled community this show would of never exsisted and RWP would never be able to cash in on us. So they should show some respect for us as costomers. We are loyal customers treated right.

All Aircooled Gathering prices went up yes but look at the services they give us.
Club push
Camp out
Valve cover races
Kids activities
Goodie bags
And much more

RWP gives us
Parking
DJ that plays music a mile away( I don't mind because it's not my tast in music)
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[Bucky]