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Dodgy
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 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:55 am Post subject: 1943 Humber report on VW Kubelwagen |
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I recently came across an original copy of the infamous 1943 report prepared by Humber Ltd (part of Rootes Group, UK) when they were given a Kubelwagen to inspect.
Humber had the opportunity to take any aspects of the design or technology or production methods as part of war reparations, but decided the VW had 'no special brilliance'.
Ford and others were given the same opportunity and similarly passed, so not just Humber's oversight. Maybe they all went on to regret that!
I have a '75 Beetle and normally hang around on the Late Model forum, but thought you guys dealing with the real oldies would be interested if you haven't seen it before.
I scanned it in and Everett has added it to the site, here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_humber.php
Enjoy!
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splitjunkie
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Cool. thanks for that. Great scan too.
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79SuperVert
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Yes, indeed. Fresh reading is always appreciated. And it's always fun to see how wrong the "experts" can be!
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Peter_N
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Cool! There are some nice reference pictures in there.
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Grant Reiling 
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| Cool. thanks for that. Great scan too. |
x2! - Interesting that in the engine photo, the fan belt appears as if made of short, overlapping segments of leather(?) perhaps riveted together.:http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_humber/humber17.jpg : 
...Perhaps another WWII materials scarcity solution?  just a thought  |
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Cool. thanks for that. Great scan too. |
x2! - Interesting that in the engine photo, the fan belt appears as if made of short, overlapping segments of leather(?) perhaps riveted together.:http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_humber/humber17.jpg :
...Perhaps another WWII materials scarcity solution? just a thought |
It's a link belt similar to the currently available powertwist belt.
http://www.fennerdrives.com/powertwist-plus/
It is most like the NuTLink link belt.
http://www.fennerdrives.com/nutlink/_/NuTLink-Z/10/
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Grant Reiling
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| splitjunkie wrote: |
| Cool. thanks for that. Great scan too. |
x2! - Interesting that in the engine photo, the fan belt appears as if made of short, overlapping segments of leather(?) perhaps riveted together.:http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/1943_humber/humber17.jpg :
...Perhaps another WWII materials scarcity solution? just a thought |
It's a link belt similar to the currently available powertwist belt.
http://www.fennerdrives.com/powertwist-plus/
It is most like the NuTLink link belt.
http://www.fennerdrives.com/nutlink/_/NuTLink-Z/10/
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Ah, thanks Chris, that's likely it!  
I was not aware they're being currently (re)produced. |
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Martin Southwell
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: Brammer Belting |
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| For those of us who have been around a while, and have worked in the transmission industry at some stage, will recognise this as Brammer Belting. http://www.fdoconnor.com.au/en_brammer-belting,222.html I doubt the Germans used it on the Kubel originally, but it found its way onto the vehicle once in Allied hands. |
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artbyedo
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This is awesome,
Note that they referred to the front torsion bar suspension system as: "unusual and ingenious."
The drive belts that splitjunkie posted up look so crude but the Powertwist website claims they'll outperform conventional rubber V belts "hands down," anyone have experiece with these Powertwists?
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splitjunkie
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This is awesome,
Note that they referred to the front torsion bar suspension system as: "unusual and ingenious."
The drive belts that splitjunkie posted up look so crude but the Powertwist website claims they'll outperform conventional rubber V belts "hands down," anyone have experiece with these Powertwists? |
I have no direct experience with them but they are pushed heavily in the woodworking market. They are great for applications where you would have to take a lot of stuff apart to install a new full circle V belt. From what I have read on woodworking forums, they were no smoother than a good quality V belt that was in good condition so they are considered a gimmick by most serious woodworkers.
These link belts are used in a lot of industrial applications so they are good belts but I have never bought any for any of my woodworking tools and have had no problems with standard V belts that were of decent quality.
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tasb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1943 Humber report on VW Kubelwagen |
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Very enjoyable reading. Pleased to be able to confirm that my April 1942 date stamped VEK 4 BS 276 distributor was indeed originally installed on a wartime Kubelwagen.
On page 55 there are some typos. The two graphs are mislabeled as temperature and output for distributor and they should be for the generator.
The pics show that the Brit engineers installed the cap 180 degree out... 
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