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AirDirect Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 431 Location: Powderly TX
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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I had 3/16 of an inch of crankshaft end play. My dad and I came up with a fix to allow me to continue to drive the car while hopefully building a replacement engine.
Bracket mounts to the fuel pump, generator stand, and crankcase bolt.
Roller is adjustable and removable with one bolt for belt replacement.
I have driven the car a few hundred miles with no problems yet! |
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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the loss of oil pressure from the worn out journals is more of a concern than the thrust movement.
damage is already done. it's only a matter of time before rods start knocking..
Hope you can get another engine built soon. |
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64delux Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 138 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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I think he is trying to say the damage is done.
I recon thats an awesome bit of ingenuity or bush mechanics as we say here in Aus |
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the2ndcashboy Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2007 Posts: 827 Location: Houston
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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Interesting solution. How do you keep the bearing lubed? Seems like it would burn up in a hurry with so source of lubrication. _________________
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AirDirect Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 431 Location: Powderly TX
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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It is a sealed bearing. Got about three hundred miles on the fix and all is well. Interesting benefit is that I don't have any more oil leaks. The engine was leaking oil at the main crankshaft seal. |
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raul arrese Samba Member
Joined: July 23, 2006 Posts: 1330 Location: miami florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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AirDirect wrote: |
It is a sealed bearing. Got about three hundred miles on the fix and all is well. Interesting benefit is that I don't have any more oil leaks. The engine was leaking oil at the main crankshaft seal. |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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U have made 'Rube'proud. |
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vugbug68 Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2006 Posts: 2696 Location: sacramento
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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With 3/16" of end play the main thrust bearing is already loose in the case, only a matter of time before it spins. _________________ 71 Super - Backroad Thrasher
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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vugbug68 wrote: |
With 3/16" of end play the main thrust bearing is already loose in the case, only a matter of time before it spins. |
Or maybe it already has! But the case is almost surely toast by now. Driving further may ruin rods and crank... but maybe they are also ruined already? I shudder! |
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3444 Location: Garage
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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Probably only get 5000 more miles out of it. I'd drive it just to see. |
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Howard 111 Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 1827 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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It may not hold up long, and leak some oil, but that was a very unique approach to fixing a problem. Good job. _________________ 1973 Karmann Ghia
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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I'll bet GEX starts doing that on all their motors!! _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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Lo Cash John wrote: |
I'll bet GEX starts doing that on all their motors!! |
They'll probably just do it as a warranty repair. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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AirDirect Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 431 Location: Powderly TX
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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400 miles and still counting. The crankshaft main seal has always had a small oil leak. Just enough to keep the bottom of the engine wet and drip when parked. The seal has stopped leaking and the engine has more power. The crankshaft moving fore and aft was retarding the timing and causing a power loss. Once we fixed the end play, with the roller bearing, it allowed the timing to be stable.
Here is a picture of me tearing down the replacement engine which I hope to have rebuilt and installed in the next few weeks.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7549 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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So who's going to start manufacturing these? One model for ones with a second pulley like yours, and one for stock !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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AirDirect Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 431 Location: Powderly TX
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:42 am Post subject: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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We removed the engine and started teardown. Will post pictures of old engine once the cylinders are removed. We plan to use the cylinders and pistons on the new build. Here is a picture of the car being backed into the shop for engine removal.
Getting started on the engine removal
Engine removed, note we did not have to discharge the A/C system. |
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Brian71 Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2005 Posts: 183 Location: Prineville, OR
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Crankshaft End Play - Quick Fix |
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Just out of curiosity, where did you indicate the 3/16" float? |
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