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gfraz Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2015 Posts: 18 Location: Luray, VA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:11 pm Post subject: Many electrical issues |
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1963 Beetle restored in CA. Don't know who did it. Starts and runs well but...
No horn, no turn signals, no wiper function. Right headlight and right parking light are both on at same time, left ones are not. No left brake light. There is one wire coming from the wiper motor that is light blue and not connected. Does it connect to the wiper switch? Fuzes are all OK. I cleaned all contacts in the fuze block. Battery is new. 6 volt. Could any of these issues be connected somehow? I am slowly learning to read wiring diagrams [/img] |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33881 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Sounds like you need to follow the good advice posted here several times... print the wiring diagram as a poster at kinkos, and have them laminate it, maybe even mount on foam core. Then you use a dry-erase marker to mark off each checked wire and connections. Makes it easier to not get lost, and great garage art when you are done! |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9663 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Keep reading that wiring diagram. It's valuable information.
Most important on a 6v system is the grounds (light brown wires) are...well grounded. Clean the connections where they contact the body of the car. Then start tracing the wire from the source to the component that is giving you trouble.
Good luck.
And welcome to the samba. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Kjell Roar Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2008 Posts: 1325 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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You need a multimeter to follow The current. And probably an earthing fault. _________________ I got a historic car, every scratch got a history...
My car, Aug. 4th, 1955 / an early 56: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=610438 |
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Ben Dover Banned
Joined: March 02, 2014 Posts: 92 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Maybe if you replace the fuzes with fuses that might help? |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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ExtremeBean Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2015 Posts: 192 Location: Mesa, AZ
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Like others have said, print off the wiring diagram. It looks overwhelming at first, but you'll get the hang of it. I just did mine with no previous experience at all. What helped me was to get some markers and blank printer paper and basically "redraw" the wiring diagram a section at a time. Since the car is running and driving, you don't really want to mess with that part yet, so save that till last. Take some pictures with your phone of how everything is now so if for some reason you did something and the car won't start you can always put it back to the way that it was.
But to answer your question, no, most likely the problems are not connected. They are all "seperate sections". The only thing that would be connected would be you headlight and parking light coming on at the same time.
Start with that. Redraw the wiring diagram for the headlights only. That will.make it easier when your just working on that section, and will make things more clearer and you won't get confused by all the other wires. Them trace every wire on you bug and you can even draw a diagram out to how it currently is. Compare your two diagrams and figure out what where the wires are now amd where they need to be. |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5986 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Make your wiring look like the wiring diagram. Done. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
2000 Kawasaki W650 |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11739 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Just be glad you don't have a 1974--like mine.
I had to first, get the hang of reading older-style diagrams (not hard, actually), then I moved into the more complicated new-style diagrams--which seem confusing, at first, but finally make sense when you compare them to the older-style ones.
A printed, laminated copy is nice--but also pre-existing wiring that actually has the original color codes. Often, the PO has rewired various items, using any old color wire; but armed with a diagram, you can figure it out and re-wire properly.
A good soldering gun is nice, too--for the new connectors.
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16754 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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I still cant wrap my arms around 73 and up wiring.....But to add what was posted here's a couple things. Invest in one of those slip on connectors kits or at least buy a bag of connectors, get a heat shrink assortment and some external tooth washers (small to fit a #8 or #10 sheet metal screw and some larger ones (about 5/16"). Use the washers for any grounds that are scewed to the body - including the tail light and turn signal housings. Sometimes you need one for one of the fender bolts as well. They bite through paint and ensure a good ground. Grounds are one of the biggest problems you have with these cars.
Also have a few wire wheels for your Dremel to clean all of your connections - including the clips that hold the fuses in. Take your time...Its not that hard - just work one circuit at a time. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them... |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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One thing you mentioned is cleaning the connections on the fuse block, but not the connections at the actual fixtures. You may be getting full power to the lights, but a cruddy corroded connection at the light will keep it off. Also, as mentioned, grounds are super important. I chased why my headlights were dim for several hours until I found the ground and tightened it. Bam! Instant bright headlights. I found a small file set that you would use for models or other hobbies, sand paper and a pocket knife to be invaluable when it came to scraping connectors clean. |
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16754 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Sorry - yeah - pull switches and pretty much every connection and clean them. I usually go through at least 2 dremel wire wheels when I redo a car. I automatically just do it during the build so it doesnt bite me in the ass later. small cup style wire wheels are great for cleaning the inside of turn signal and tail light sockets....you need one of those too. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them... |
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gfraz Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2015 Posts: 18 Location: Luray, VA
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Just an update. Except or the horn and interior light all electrical issues have been resolved. Pulled the horn ring and one of the springs was missing. Hopefully that is causing the anemic beep. Ordered a spring kit and new horn ring, fuel gauge and wiper switch, installed a new trunk seal. Dumb question time: on the top right of the fan housing is a one inch tube. Should something be attached to it? Thanks to all for their input. |
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 1996 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Are you referring to the oil breather tube? Connects to oil bath cleaner and oil filler. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 6985 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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gfraz wrote: |
Dumb question time: on the top right of the fan housing is a one inch tube. Should something be attached to it? |
That tube is for the fuel vent/charcoal cannister system used on Bugs and Busses starting in 1968, it's not used on your car unless you've retrofitted the later style fuel venting system. Most often that tube is capped off or pinched shut when installed in pre-68 VWs. Whatever you decide to do with it, do not connect that to the crankcase vent fitting on your oil filler. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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gfraz wrote: |
Just an update. Except or the horn and interior light all electrical issues have been resolved. Pulled the horn ring and one of the springs was missing. Hopefully that is causing the anemic beep. Ordered a spring kit and new horn ring, fuel gauge and wiper switch, installed a new trunk seal. Dumb question time: on the top right of the fan housing is a one inch tube. Should something be attached to it? Thanks to all for their input. |
Horn could be the ring inside the wheel or the ring inside the center cap. Could also be the connections to the horn. Those all need cleaning. Also check and make sure its a 6v horn. Someone installed a 12v on mine and it sounded like a sick cat.
For the dome light, check the switches in the doors to make sure the connections are all clean. Also, get yourself a cheap meter and see what you are getting on the dome light. You should have two wires, one postive constant that comes straight from the fuse box and another that comes from the door switches. The dome light originally grounds on the body but you may have to rig a wire or some sort of ground to get it to work. |
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gfraz Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2015 Posts: 18 Location: Luray, VA
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Trying to wire a 2speed switch to 1speed motor. Wiring diagrams I have seen show the motor terminals marked 54d, 31b, 54 left to right. My motor is marked 53, 31b, 53a. How do I wire this motor. When I hooked all wires up by the forum diagram the motor worked but I got a spark when I attached the ground to the chassis. |
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lovethatconvertible Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2008 Posts: 1434 Location: Las Vegas N. V.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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This might help? Ripped from one of Andy's Post's
[img][/img] _________________ 1960 Convertible |
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gfraz Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2015 Posts: 18 Location: Luray, VA
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Many electrical issues |
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Thanks for the reply but it doesn't answer my problem. Note the sketch uses 54 not 53. I don't know if that is significant. |
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