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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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This is my first restoring a "Vert Bug" build for me, and I'm looking for your experience and advice on the steps to build it back up. At this point the body and the pan are seperated.
This is what's done so far:
Powder coated pan & frame, rebuilt suspension, rebuilt brake system, rebuilt '68 trans, built new engine, all new pan rubber (grommets & misc), restored steering column, restored gas tank, zinc plated original nuts - bolts - washers, rechromed 90% of the original parts, body and paint finished, and powder coated conv. top assembly.
Most everything else has purchased and basically the buildup is the only thing left to do. So what next?
_________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
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lovethatconvertible Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2008 Posts: 1434 Location: Las Vegas N. V.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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That Color is Awesome, paint job looks like whoever did it, knew what they were doing. Keep the pic's and progress coming. _________________ 1960 Convertible |
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pwomble Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2015 Posts: 44 Location: Lakeland, FL
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Very nice! |
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cjargo Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2014 Posts: 274 Location: West LA
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Thanks for the kind words, and I'll post as it progresses.
The painter is Jay Ramos and if you would like his info, just shoot me a email. I'm super picky and he exceeded my hopes.
Electrical: I'll start there with the new wiring harness. How does the old one come out? Do I tie a rope to the old one, pull the old harness while feeding the rope through, then attach the rope to the new harness and pull it back the other way? _________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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lovethatconvertible Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2008 Posts: 1434 Location: Las Vegas N. V.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Yes, Either tie the New loom to the old one as you pull it out, or tie a rope onto the end of the old one, as you pull it, leaving the rope in. hopefully your old loom is not stiff as a board, if it is, I would either straighten the other end as best you can, while pulling, or cut it where it starts going thru the wire tube so you don't trash the tube. I pulled mine out from the front with the new one taped to the old one. loop your ends from old to new so it doesn't pull apart when your yanking on it. One thing you might consider is pulling some extra wire's with the new loom for future item's you might want to add on later. _________________ 1960 Convertible |
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cjargo Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2014 Posts: 274 Location: West LA
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Wire Harness.
Thanks! Also great pointer on pulling x-tra wires through. Brilliant!
Paint process.
The color is a contemperary version of "Strato Silver". The painter spent three days to “Colour sand & Buff” the diamond hard clear coat. Seven coats of "House Of Kolor / Show clear" was used. He started with 600 grit sand paper, then 800, then 1000, then 1200, then 1500, and 2000. Then buff stage 1 compound with wool pad, then stage 2 foam pad, then stage 3 foam pad, then stage 4 foam pad, and finally glaze foam pad for that Pebble Beach quality finish. His blocking is equally labor intensive.
_________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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vwnut1 Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2012 Posts: 495 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Super sweet paint job, show quality for sure. I would be wrapping all of my hand tools in bubble wrap during reassembly to avoid scratching that gorgeous show quality paint job:)
I did a lot of research on new wiring harnesses and ended up purchasing one from WW. Excellent quality and it came with great directions. _________________ 1957 VW Oval Resto Mod
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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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vwnut1 wrote: |
Super sweet paint job, show quality for sure.
I did a lot of research on new wiring harnesses and ended up purchasing one from WW. Excellent quality and it came with great directions. |
I went with Cip1.com. I'll be taking a peek at it today and post pictures and details.
Has anyone ever used their harness, and if so, any feedback would be sweet. _________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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cjargo wrote: |
I went with Cip1.com. I'll be taking a peek at it today and post pictures and details.
Has anyone ever used their harness, and if so, any feedback would be sweet. |
If it's a wagon works harness it will be fine ; Do you have access to the " Bug Me " video of wiring harness installation ; priceless .
Blow up the wiring diagram and laminate it .....lets you see all the little markings
_________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569619&highlight=sedan+delivery |
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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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grandpa pete wrote: |
cjargo wrote: |
I went with Cip1.com. I'll be taking a peek at it today and post pictures and details.
Has anyone ever used their harness, and if so, any feedback would be sweet. |
If it's a wagon works harness it will be fine ; Do you have access to the " Bug Me " video of wiring harness installation ; priceless .
Blow up the wiring diagram and laminate it .....lets you see all the little markings
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Funny you ask, I just received the "Bug Me" DVD last week. It'll be converted and downloaded onto my iPad. The leather iPad case will be gentle on the paint.
The Cip1.com harness looks straight forward, well written, clear diagrams, nothing cryptic. The quality of the wires seem good, and the wire crimping is excellent. Once it stops rain long enough, I'll pick the car up from the painter and jump right in. I'll keep you posted.
_________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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grandpa pete wrote: |
cjargo wrote: |
I went with Cip1.com. I'll be taking a peek at it today and post pictures and details.
Has anyone ever used their harness, and if so, any feedback would be sweet. |
If it's a wagon works harness it will be fine ; Do you have access to the " Bug Me " video of wiring harness installation ; priceless .
Blow up the wiring diagram and laminate it .....lets you see all the little markings
The purple tape you places on the edges is a excellent safeguard. Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery. Thanks for that tip. I'll do that around the entire car.
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_________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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vwnut1 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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The only part of the WW harness that I did not like were the 3-prong headlight terminals. I ended up using the OG ones that were still in great shape. Also, drop your original fuse box in some white vinegar overnight after cleaning off the dirt. It will come out nice and shiny! _________________ 1957 VW Oval Resto Mod |
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ConcreteAce Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2005 Posts: 856 Location: Spring, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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In my opinion pulling the harness on a vert is a PITA. It only takes 1 person to pull a sedan harness, I would recommend you get a couple of your buddies to help on the vert. One feeding it down the tube on the passenger side under the hood where it makes the turn down the pillar, another helping it make the 90 degree turn into the heater channel (there should be a little cut out there that you can just get two fingers in) and the last person pulling the rope/string from the back. _________________ Ethan Dunlap
Spring, Texas
'51 Deluxe
'61 Build
'68 Turbo Diesel Baja
'64 Ghia Vert
'61 Baja Build |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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vwnut1 wrote: |
The only part of the WW harness that I did not like were the 3-prong headlight terminals. I ended up using the OG ones that were still in great shape. Also, drop your original fuse box in some white vinegar overnight after cleaning off the dirt. It will come out nice and shiny! |
I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING ... AND I did the EXACT SAME THING _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569619&highlight=sedan+delivery |
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Joseph DR Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Super clean chassis and beautiful paint job!
Also, thanks for the fuse box in vinegar trick. Ima go do that. _________________ 1964 Beetle |
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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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Tomorrow the vert arrives from the body shop so in the mean time I decided to clean up part of the hood catch. Thought: Should it be left cleaned up as is, or paint it in a metal color, or zinc plate it.
_________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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hitest Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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I know that latch will clean nicely, and will seldom be seen if left unrestored. The tough part of whatever you decide? You will know...
(Looking at the car- I predict a new plating job)
Your car is truly beautiful. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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vwnut1 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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I concur. With this high level of restoration every nut and bolt must be addressed. Your budget won't like it, but it will be show quality in the end.
I hope your goal is to enjoy the car when finished. If you plan on flipping it you will most likely be "upside down" in the car. As I learned many years ago, it's almost always cheaper to purchase a restored car than to do it yourself. Paint, body work, wheels, interior, etc. adds up quick. _________________ 1957 VW Oval Resto Mod |
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cjargo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Assembly required - '63 Vert Bug - Buildup. |
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hitest wrote: |
I know that latch will clean nicely, and will seldom be seen if left unrestored. The tough part of whatever you decide? You will know...
(Looking at the car- I predict a new plating job)
Your car is truly beautiful. |
Thanks for the kind words.
PLATING:
What is the factory finish of the hood latch male and female side? The original one cleaned up ok, but if there is another level, it should be done. After some research, there wasn't anything concrete. _________________ '63 Vert. Bug - '58 Bug Ragtop RHD - '63 Vert. Bug -
'78 911 SC Targa - '69 911 E - '57 Vert. Porsche - '84 GTI - '69 Bus - '57 Bug - '68 Bug / Sunroof -
'65 Bug - '63 Bug - '74 Bus - '72 Karmann Ghia
'67 Bus / Sundial - '59 Karmann Ghia |
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