January 30, 1951

[oldsouls]

R.I.P. Dr. Porsche

[mark tucker]

what kind of dr was he?

[johnnypan]

[mark tucker]

hmm...and I thought he was just trying to stay alive..... I too have a DR certificate on my wall...but no SS...I have worked on a lot of SS cars, some real some fake. I liked the RTS cars better.

[Zeen]

Ford brought out an "SS" version of the Escort in the early '80s. They were contacted by some Jewish interest group and got threatened with boycotts and all kinds of bad publicity. They dropped it like a hot potato, yet GM continues to have SS models to this day. I always wondered about that. I guess Henry's anti-semitism and business with Hitler before the war meant they didn't want to fight that battle.
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[Zundfolge1432]

Is this going to turn ugly like the story in the Nation magazine about what was done during WW2 at the Wolfsburg factory? You can't ignore truth but you can hide it and make it go away if someone gets their panties in a wad. Harummmfff. Hey I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy. Walk this way.

[johnnypan]

Hey just stating facts,whole lotta apologists out there saying he was 'caught up in it' and that he wasn't political.. I agree with the French, who tossed his ass in jail where he belonged..

tell me you dont get to know a cat when you do a body off together...shit,late at night in the werks,cracking a coupla beer's talking about how many Russian peasants you killed today..even the herrenvolk tend to get close..

[johnnypan]

[joe56vw]

I've always tried to look at history from both sides since 'merica likes to whitewash everything in their favor anyways

from what I've read dr. Porsche was building cars long before he meet Hitler and even read somewhere that he pretty much had the beetle all design in the early 30's

it wasn't until the late 30's that most people had figured out what Hitler was doing and before that most of Germany thought he was the best thing that ever happened to them

from my point of view on what I have read was that like the rest of Germany Dr. Porsche probably didn't know what he was getting himself into when he first sign up with Hitler until it was too late IMO
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559931&highlight=

why is there no sarcasism button on here?

[TDCTDI]

In my mind, VW needs to sue that author & publisher for libel and/or slander. I have no doubt that slave labor was used to build the early cars but to my understanding, very few of those cars were ever delivered to the purchasers. Those cars were built as KDF cars. The British resurrected the factory & assembly of the cars & then later gave it back to Germany. They are under different names and leadership. I believe that Porsche sold his soul to the devil to realize his dream & once that avalanche started, he sure as hell couldn't say anything to the contrary. I cannot say that Porsche didn't believe in the regime, but I do believe that just like plantation owners, companies will exploit cheap labor anyway they can to turn a profit.
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[Zundfolge1432]

[Gary]

[TDCTDI]

Gary, thanks for pointing out the differences, I'm not a lawyer so I don't try to keep all the legalese in memory, that's why I listed both. However, by the definition of libel that you provided, it is not necessary to prove malicious intent. Volkswagen was KDF before and during the war, after the war it was re-established under British occupation, with new ownership, management & workers & name. To me, that is a wholly new entity & for someone to write an article saying that the new company used slave labor seems like a prime lawsuit in the making, especially in the litigious world we are currently in. BTW I'm not a historian either so i could be wrong on the history of KDF vs Volkswagen as a company during/after the war.
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Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.


GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!


An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.


Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it.

[my59]

A lot of people built a lot of things designed to kill and continue to do so. Vw, Krupp, Lockheed, Mitsubishi, etc. Slave labor, brainwashed patriotic war bond buying labor, it has been going on since the dawn of time. History goes to the Victor and revisionists are constantly working on making perceptions different. Some would argue FDR was as bad as Hitler, forcing Stalin to bleed the Russian army and population so the US casualties would be reduced.
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my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
our79: sunroof bus w/camper interior and 2.0 FI
Other:'12 Jetta, '77 Benz 300D, and a 74 MG Midget.

[Jacks]

[TDCTDI]