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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:24 pm    Post subject: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

I tried to lower the back of my Mexibeetle today, but I got stuck and I couldn't figure out the proper way to do it.
It doesn't look the same as a swing axle suspension and I didn't want to do any damage to the car.
If anybody did this operation before please feel give me some input.

P.S. I tried youtube and searching all over, couldn't find anything related to this
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

Yes I did. But as you can see from my pictures, my suspension is different.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

Is your car a 'true' Mexi-Beetle, or a re-pan (what year is it registered as?)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

The long leaf spring under your gearbox with the red cups at each end needs to come off first.
hopkin wrote:
Is your car a 'true' Mexi-Beetle, or a re-pan (what year is it registered as?)
Doesn't matter what year the pan is, lowering a swing axle is all the same.
His pan is IRS, so his car is on a German pan.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

The main issue is that I don't know how to take remove the wheel hub.I tried but I have no leverage.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

That's a swingaxle pan, not a IRS pan.
But it has a "camber compensator" added, and the rear stabilizer is
decommissioned.

I think you need to remove the "camber compensator" and then you will be able to push the axle backwards so it clears the spring plate.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

Sorry Gerrelt but it apears to be an IRS car(look at picture#2-the pivot points ).Also the forks are flat where the CV-joints are to be.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

As other's have pointed out, the suspension is not a stock Mexi-Beetle suspension.

Many of the Mexican Beetles found in the US are registered as an earlier car, the cars were built onto an earlier German chassis.

Some of these may or may not be IRS cars.

This link on JBugs has an explanation of Swing Axle vs IRS with illustration:
http://www.jbugs.com/category/vw-transmissions.html

The Mexi-Beetles have also have a Z-bar.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

ArnoudH wrote:
Sorry Gerrelt but it apears to be an IRS car(look at picture#2-the pivot points ).Also the forks are flat where the CV-joints are to be.

Regards,Arnoud


Ah, I see, yes, you're right, I missed that. It is an IRS pan with a swingaxle bolted on.

Then it's probably re-panned for the registration in the US.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

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This frame horn looks pretty messed up. You should post a better pic of it so we can see how bad it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

All Mexican pans were actually IRS converted to swing in the factory - they plated over the IRS pivot area. If you want to confirm this, try adding a rear disc brake kit for swing axle, and you will find the cable is too long! Been there, done that. They got the last of the German tooling and made do.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

The mexican beetle pans do indeed have the space for the IRS pivot area. But it didn't have the threaded insert in it, like is shown in the OP images.
Also the little bracket that holds the connector for the backup lights switch is not there in the picture. Which is something the mexican pans have.
So I don't think it is a mexican pan.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

The car is registered as a 1969 Beetle.

I'll try to remove the camber compensator and see whats going on.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

Not sure what all the hubub is about as far as what the car was originally or when/where from, the simple fact is it's a swingaxle with a camber compensator -- nothing special or mysterious here.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: MexiBeetle rear suspension Reply with quote

alikatcraig wrote:
All Mexican pans were actually IRS converted to swing in the factory - they plated over the IRS pivot area. If you want to confirm this, try adding a rear disc brake kit for swing axle, and you will find the cable is too long! Been there, done that. They got the last of the German tooling and made do.

Not true.
All Mexican Beetle pans were swing axle, not IRS converted to swing. Sometime in the mid 90s, the sides of the frame horns had an IRS looking pocket cut into them with a blank plate installed. There was a theory that this was in preparation for the possibility of selling the car into the USA, but that never happened. Instead VW sold the watercooled imposter starting in 98.
E-brake cables got shorter for all swing axle cars starting in 1973 when the shifter was moved rearward. German and Mexican cars. If your cables were too long, you bought a kit for some earlier car. VW of Mex didn't "make do" with old German tooling, they had their own. The floor plates are very different from German ones.
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