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63vdubbug
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 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:49 am Post subject: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Can someone please give me suggestions about replacing the shift rod hanger? Do I cut out a small access way to get it out or do I cut it from up on top after removing the rod?
The bug gave me problems with shifting this weekend and when I pulled the shifter off, the hanger appeared to be broken in half.
Has anybody modified the hanger to be more stronger or made it work to use a different bushing? It looks like I can weld in a thick washer or something just to hold the rod and possibly use plastic/nylong bushings? just thinking/wondering if anybody has done it or should I just go buy the replacement? |
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60ragtop
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Thanks 60ragtop!... I just went through the entire thread and will be ordering a new shift rod hanger. 40 bucks is a lot of a bushing but then again, it's a set it and forget it type of deal.
I'm thinking of making a run to my local hardware shop to see if I can come up with something and making my own. Appreciate pointing me to the right direction! |
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GB2S
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Pay the $40.00, and be done with it.
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glutamodo 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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I am totally not convinced on the brass bushing. On the throttle shafts of a carb, totally for that. On the shift rod, where I already despise vibration and rattling? No way. I'll live with plastic myself.
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Fellas, received the replacement shifter rod hanger from airheadparts last week and got to fixing over the weekend. Below is what I did.
Bought a bronze bushing from local hardware store. Bushing fits perfectly inside the new hanger and also fits perfectly over the shifter rod. Cost me $7 vs $40.
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I did trim the bushing down so the length matches the plastic bushing, which I also bought in case I couldn't find a bronze bushing that will work. Also, made some grooves, using a dremel for the C-clip to bite on to, and hold it in place. Then, I cleaned up rod with some prep & etch solution to remove the rust, and wash it down with some purple power. Rod is nice and shiny. Tested the fit to make sure the bushing can be pushed all the way through, and it did! no binding, but made sure plenty of lube.
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Once test fit was complete, I moved inside the bug and started drilling out the spot welds. Then, weld her up with the bushing already in place inside of the hanger. Put the rod back in with some minor hammering.
The outside diameter of you bushing will depend on the replacement hanger or your original hanger. Am not sure how long this will last, but she shifts better than a new car. Smooth with no binding at all. Pretty happy with the results and future maintenance or replacing will be easier.
FYI - I love harbor freight as you can tell.  . I have a mixed bag of american and chinese tools. |
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74 Thing
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Is there any rattle to the bushing and shift rod fitting? |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| 74 Thing wrote: |
| Is there any rattle to the bushing and shift rod fitting? |
Nope, I didn't hear any. I made sure it's a tight fit. The c-clip will hold it in place from moving in and out during shifting. I was also concern about rattling or vibration and thought about coating the hanger (where the bushing goes through) with rubber. The rubber will prevent any rattling or vibration. If vibration or rattling starts happening down the line, I will coat it with rubber. It's pretty easy to remove the c-clip and slide bushing out. The only challenge I see here is sliding out the rod since it's heavily greased. |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| grandpa pete wrote: |
| Thanks for the info AND the bushing part numbers . |
NP... hoping I can help others here as everyone here is awesome with passing their knowledge and wisdom about these cars. |
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Scott65Beetle
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| I'm impressed. My hanger broke about a block from my house on my old 65 bug. Had to push it home. This was a few years back and when I started my then new project '66 bug I noticed the hanger was awfully thin so I had to fix that one as well. That whole stock bushing really is a POS. I like the idea you did,interested to see long term your thoughts of it's success. I believe the bushing you used looks much like the 911 shift rod bushing but the Porsche one is plastic or something like it while yours is bronze. I just keep that thing lubed now pretty often as prevention. It really is a PITA when the hanger breaks. Good work mate! |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Scott65Beetle wrote: |
| I'm impressed. My hanger broke about a block from my house on my old 65 bug. Had to push it home. This was a few years back and when I started my then new project '66 bug I noticed the hanger was awfully thin so I had to fix that one as well. That whole stock bushing really is a POS. I like the idea you did,interested to see long term your thoughts of it's success. I believe the bushing you used looks much like the 911 shift rod bushing but the Porsche one is plastic or something like it while yours is bronze. I just keep that thing lubed now pretty often as prevention. It really is a PITA when the hanger breaks. Good work mate! |
Thanks bud... also interested how long this bushing will last. I will for sure keep it lubed. Will check on it in a few months and let you guys know how it's holding up. |
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Finally got around to making my own, started out a routine bushing replacement (nylon), then i figured ... why not. So i went to Applied Bearing and ordered to 2 Bronze Bushings (TOTAL 6.80) plus 2 snap rings (TOTAL, UNDER $1) .. did a little lathe work... and you can see the result. The extra one will go in my tool box for later .. sure beats $39.95 + 7.95 shipping. Seems like a snug fit, the snap ring holds it in place so there's no front/back movement.
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| BluzBug wrote: |
Finally got around to making my own, started out a routine bushing replacement (nylon), then i figured ... why not. So i went to Applied Bearing and ordered to 2 Bronze Bushings (TOTAL 6.80) plus 2 snap rings (TOTAL, UNDER $1) .. did a little lathe work... and you can see the result. The extra one will go in my tool box for later .. sure beats $39.95 + 7.95 shipping. Seems like a snug fit, the snap ring holds it in place so there's no front/back movement.
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Very nice BluzBug! Wished I had a lathe. Did you get a chance to put it back in the car? |
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Bracket and Bushing going in (Wire Welded) Friday Afternoon ... will have completely back together by Saturday Afternoon  |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| BluzBug - curious to hear how your install went and how do you like it? |
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Went Very Good. Welded in Friday, put all back together that afternoon. My 66 has a few bends in the Shaft, which cleared the Bronze Bushing with a very slight push & a twist. I reinstalled the Frt. Bumper, rear Seat, both Front Seats, and put new carpeting in the Front. Then came the "hard part, i have a Scat Dragfast Shifter, which is a PITA to get adjusted correctly, i was lucky the first time and nailed it. It Shifted great!! ... and was there some rattle?? NO!! I expect it'll last alot longer then the nylon one.
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Awesome!... that is one SWEET looking bug! |
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Tim Donahoe
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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I just have to wonder if the brass bushing wears, how would you replace it without cutting out the hanger and welding in a new one?
You assume it will last a lifetime, but without a bit of grease from time to time, wouldn't the bushing wear?
Tim
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