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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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If he was indeed turning left (damage to the right side of vehicle indicates that.) , then he was at fault for failing to yield right of way.


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Here's a pic just in case the news link disappears at a later date.
Or else he had a turn arrow, and the perp ran a red light.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Do you do the same to people who have lung cancer and swing your finger about saying "you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.."


I absolutely do. I have ZERO compassion for people who die as a direct result of making choices that are KNOWN to be deadly. The only exception I make to that rule is first responders and military.

Have I made stupid choices? I sure have. And if I was to have died from them I wouldn't except a soul to sit there and be sad and say "it's a tragic accident". Because it wasn't. You didn't die by accident. You died by making shitty life choices and now those left behind have to deal with it. That's the only sad thing about this.

I can tell you right now if my wife died in a car crash from not wearing a seat belt or from driving drunk I'd be full of resentment and be more pissed off at her than sad she's gone.


I can tell you right now that unless you were THERE in the car with the guy you don't know jack shit about what did or didn't happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Hit and run with a fatality (regardless if the person hit was wearing a seat belt or not)...should be grounds for public on the spot execution.
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So we're going to kill someone who killed someone to show people that killing people is wrong?

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Accidents happen. They suck. The fact that the perp RAN is the issue here... and you want to talk about "bad choices" that you ass/u/me the dead guy made?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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If he was indeed turning left (damage to the right side of vehicle indicates that.) , then he was at fault for failing to yield right of way.


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Here's a pic just in case the news link disappears at a later date.


Ah, another egg spurt.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Do you do the same to people who have lung cancer and swing your finger about saying "you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.."


I absolutely do. I have ZERO compassion for people who die as a direct result of making choices that are KNOWN to be deadly. The only exception I make to that rule is first responders and military.

Have I made stupid choices? I sure have. And if I was to have died from them I wouldn't except a soul to sit there and be sad and say "it's a tragic accident". Because it wasn't. You didn't die by accident. You died by making shitty life choices and now those left behind have to deal with it. That's the only sad thing about this.

I can tell you right now if my wife died in a car crash from not wearing a seat belt or from driving drunk I'd be full of resentment and be more pissed off at her than sad she's gone.


I can tell you right now that unless you were THERE in the car with the guy you don't know jack shit about what did or didn't happen.


False. I know what happened. He got in a car crash that produced enough lateral force to open his door and fling his ass out on to the street.

Which means either
A: He wasn't wearing a seat belt, which makes him stupid or B: He had old ass shitty dry rotted belts that broke causing him to be ejected, which again makes him stupid.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Ah, another egg spurt.

Wow, such wit, I guess I've been "Berned"
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Cali_Army_Guy wrote:
mg6770 wrote:
Do you do the same to people who have lung cancer and swing your finger about saying "you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.."


I absolutely do. I have ZERO compassion for people who die as a direct result of making choices that are KNOWN to be deadly. The only exception I make to that rule is first responders and military.

Have I made stupid choices? I sure have. And if I was to have died from them I wouldn't except a soul to sit there and be sad and say "it's a tragic accident". Because it wasn't. You didn't die by accident. You died by making shitty life choices and now those left behind have to deal with it. That's the only sad thing about this.

I can tell you right now if my wife died in a car crash from not wearing a seat belt or from driving drunk I'd be full of resentment and be more pissed off at her than sad she's gone.


I can tell you right now that unless you were THERE in the car with the guy you don't know jack shit about what did or didn't happen.


False. I know what happened. He got in a car crash that produced enough lateral force to open his door and fling his ass out on to the street.

Which means either
A: He wasn't wearing a seat belt, which makes him stupid or B: He had old ass shitty dry rotted belts that broke causing him to be ejected, which again makes him stupid.


You. Were. Not. There.

Show some respect for the dead.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Ah, another egg spurt.

Wow, such wit, I guess I've been "Berned"


Why do you want to blame the guy who got killed for getting killed?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

I'm not blaming anyone, the fact is, he turned into the path of an oncoming vehicle. He may have been in the right & had an advanced green or the other guy blew the light or was timing them or was speeding or looking at his damned phone, but he still crossed in front of the other vehicle.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

I am going to say that no one knows what happened other than someone was hit and did not survive. one can assume a few things but its conjecture at best on our part.

How about some one just retro-fitting seat belts in the car by drilling holes in the pan and putting some small washers in that will tear with any amount of force. How about a rusty mounts? There are a myriad of different scenarios that could have played out.

Calling the driver a dumb ass and being the main contributor to his demise is quite a leap. Unless you were a first responder at the scene you are guessing at what happened, even then they can only attest to the condition / use of seat belts.

A fellow VW owner is no longer with us and his family is left to pick up the pieces, my prayers go out to his family and friends and hope they can find some peace in this sad time in their lives. Rest in peace.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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I'm not blaming anyone, the fact is, he turned into the path of an oncoming vehicle. He may have been in the right & had an advanced green or the other guy blew the light or was timing them or was speeding or looking at his damned phone, but he still crossed in front of the other vehicle.


So the victim simply should not have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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I'm not blaming anyone, the fact is, he turned into the path of an oncoming vehicle. He may have been in the right & had an advanced green or the other guy blew the light or was timing them or was speeding or looking at his damned phone, but he still crossed in front of the other vehicle.

So did Donald Turnupseed-----but he survived (and had to hitch-hike home).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

Not wanting to seem the callous sort from my earlier comments....so my apologies to anyone who knew this person. At a basic level is sad when anyone is killed needlessly (well almost anyone...there are a few I can pluck out f history that joyously had it coming).

But I will elaborate on the word "needlessly"...and acknowledge the fact that I...just like everyone else here don't know all the details here.

My first car...a vw411..was destroyed with me in it by being broadsided by a 1968 Cutlass 442 that ran a stop sign and hit me at a bit above 40mph. Thats a 3700 lbs car.
The car's grill spanned the entire front fender and the drivers door. I caught it out of the corner of my eye and lunged to the right. The door smashed into the drivers seat leaving it at about a 40* angle. The dash folded in the middle and had a 25+ degree angle bend in it.

That dang seat belt "clacked" hard when it arrested me several inches off the seat from going headlong into the passenger door or out the passenger window.
My car ...from the accident report was pushed 56 feet down the road....sideways.

The seat belt saved my ass big time.

Its not the victims fault he was hit by some asshole.

It is however.....his fault that he didn't have his seat belt on....if he didn't have it on.

A lot of the information (most actually) relating to seat belt nylon and polyester lifespan degradation....is based on accelerated aging trials especially weighted to FULL OUTDOOR UV and moisture exposure and not mixed life of inside the car. Most came from material manufacturers and MILITARY studies done.

I just programmed a Q-sun weathering unit like the one in the picture of slide #5 last week. The rapic weathering is actually a bit more extreme because of the speed....than real life.

As webbing formulations are improved you see these studies redone about every five years.
Here is an example of one of the last major comparison studies done in 2013 http://www.sfifoundation.com/wp-content/pdfs/Webbing%20Life%20Presentation%2012-2014.pdf

This one is quoting stats all the way back to 1966...which is very relevant...still... because the nylons they used in seatbelt webbing (first nylon 6, then 6-6 and then 6-12) over the years...were very poor with age and moisture

They are mainly worried when tensile strength drops below 2500 lbs force....dropping to as low as 500 lbs force by 24 months.

Bear in mind though....these are narrow webbing samples until you get down in the text where they test a standard 2" belt web and then a later, newer 3" belt that should have a specified 6300 lbs force.

Its a short but interesting presentation.

Back to the subject....we all know or damn well better know that on old cars like these....you cant be running on 40 year old pads and brake fluid in your system....why?...because anyone can tell you thats unsafe.

No one seems to dispute that fact.

Why would one not assume the seat belts have not also degraded with 40 years of life...and not at least google it to see if thats even possible?
Just googling "seatbelt degradation with age" returns 1,500,000 hits.

So sadly....either this guy was not wearing a belt or his old belt failed (also his responsibility)...and though its not his fault he was hit...or put in this situation....its HIS fault he died.

I can conjecture that....because I walked away from an accident just like that and even worse because it was on my side....because of the seatbelt. Ray
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

Updates:
http://ktla.com/2016/04/13/driver-dead-after-hit-a...foot-lapd/

VW guy's name was Michael Byron. was he one of us?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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was he one of us?


I hope the fuck he wasn't....evidently being one of "us" seems to mean you have to be a cold hearted pickle smoocher

my condolences to the family of this guy. may he rest in peace
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

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Updates:
http://ktla.com/2016/04/13/driver-dead-after-hit-a...foot-lapd/

VW guy's name was Michael Byron. was he one of us?
Sort of ironic to have that billboard in the background.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

My condolences to the family. What a terrible situation.

This thread is full of fucked up comments. Super fun to play the guessing game about a situation where none of us were there.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: April 12. Lethal Hit and Run Reply with quote

Everyone has had the chance to express either condolences or outrage.

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