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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20231 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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I found this one in a 63 bug in Northern Minnesota recently. I don't see a plate frame for this dealer in the dealer listing section.
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20231 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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Also, I recently saw this decal on the rear hatch of a late bay window bus. Bus is located here in Idaho.
Looks like SAMS on the VW logo's hat. The main body reads PACE Laramie, WYO _________________ nothing |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33879 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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These examples illustrate a change made many years ago (early/mid 1960s?), I believe concurrent with the introduction of zip codes, from 3-letter to 2-letter state abbreviations. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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KTPhil wrote: |
These examples illustrate a change made many years ago (early/mid 1960s?), I believe concurrent with the introduction of zip codes, from 3-letter to 2-letter state abbreviations. |
Cool info.
This is what some Google searches tell me...
Two-letter postal abbreviations for state names went into effect on July 1, 1963.
Modern two-letter abbreviated codes for the states and territories originated when the Post Office introduced ZIP codes in 1963. The purpose was to make room for ZIP codes in the address, rather than to standardize state abbreviations per se. _________________ How to Post Photos
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33879 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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EverettB wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
These examples illustrate a change made many years ago (early/mid 1960s?), I believe concurrent with the introduction of zip codes, from 3-letter to 2-letter state abbreviations. |
Cool info.
This is what some Google searches tell me...
Two-letter postal abbreviations for state names went into effect on July 1, 1963.
Modern two-letter abbreviated codes for the states and territories originated when the Post Office introduced ZIP codes in 1963. The purpose was to make room for ZIP codes in the address, rather than to standardize state abbreviations per se. |
I think they also standardized street abbreviations into two letters at about the same time. When I was a kid, Avenue and Boulevard were Ave and Blvd. Now they are Av and Bl. The street line of an address would not compete with the zip code, so I don't see that connection. But then we went to 5+4 zips and now its all computerized anyway, so standardization ins more important than brevity.
And we gave up on alphabetic phone prefixes, too.
Why do I fill my brain with this crap? |
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restojohnny Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2004 Posts: 2763 Location: SPLITSVILLE , SON !!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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Some rare frames I scored at Pomona
_________________ ** HELL YEAH I'LL SELL IT TO YOU**
O.G. POMONA VULTURE
$$ SWAPMEET MAFIA $$
53 LHD, LH cargo door standard kombi
54 Pre-A Porsche
55 oval ribbed door non-semiphore
56 semiphore ragtop
63 notchback (work in progress)
67 OG black paint beetle sedan empi accessorized
67 original Empi GTV beetle convertible !!
67 euro squareback
67 deluxe walkthru (work in progress)
67 convertible ghia (work in progress)
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20231 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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EverettB wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
These examples illustrate a change made many years ago (early/mid 1960s?), I believe concurrent with the introduction of zip codes, from 3-letter to 2-letter state abbreviations. |
Cool info.
This is what some Google searches tell me...
Two-letter postal abbreviations for state names went into effect on July 1, 1963.
Modern two-letter abbreviated codes for the states and territories originated when the Post Office introduced ZIP codes in 1963. The purpose was to make room for ZIP codes in the address, rather than to standardize state abbreviations per se. |
I just realized something odd about this. Would there have been a VW/Porsche/AUDI dealership previous to '63? VW and Porsche I get, but it seems that AUDI may not have been a part of that group during that era. _________________ nothing |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33879 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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cdennisg wrote: |
I just realized something odd about this. Would there have been a VW/Porsche/AUDI dealership previous to '63? VW and Porsche I get, but it seems that AUDI may not have been a part of that group during that era. |
In the '50s and '60s, there were many independent dealerships that sold a variety of makes. So I'm supposing it would be possible for a dealer to have a plate frame with VW/Porsche/Audi on it in that era. |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20231 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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KTPhil wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
I just realized something odd about this. Would there have been a VW/Porsche/AUDI dealership previous to '63? VW and Porsche I get, but it seems that AUDI may not have been a part of that group during that era. |
In the '50s and '60s, there were many independent dealerships that sold a variety of makes. So I'm supposing it would be possible for a dealer to have a plate frame with VW/Porsche/Audi on it in that era. |
A really quick search tells me that the Audi name wasn't in use until 1965-ish, after a 25 year hiatus. _________________ nothing |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33879 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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I remember that the change from 3- to 2-letter state names took a while to become entrenched. It's not like the mail service refused mail with more. A dealer might have paid for a new batch of frames and not bothered to update the state abbreviation at the bottom, but did add the latest brands to the top.
But that fact does date an "Audi" frame to '65 or later, regardless of the state abbreviation.
It's been convoluted for VW/Porsche/Audi over the years... some dealers were VW-Porsche, some were Porsche-Audi. Any had all three? |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20231 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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^^^ Very good points. _________________ nothing |
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lasslo Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2004 Posts: 206 Location: sweden
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: Re: weber frame |
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lasslo wrote: |
I borowed this frame from a firend.
Mounted on my ghia with dual webers
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I posten this some years ago, but did not get any response.
Does anyone have info about it?
Is it rare?
Is the dealer still alive? _________________ 65 DD klenbus
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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KTPhil wrote: |
I remember that the change from 3- to 2-letter state names took a while to become entrenched. It's not like the mail service refused mail with more. A dealer might have paid for a new batch of frames and not bothered to update the state abbreviation at the bottom, but did add the latest brands to the top.
But that fact does date an "Audi" frame to '65 or later, regardless of the state abbreviation.
It's been convoluted for VW/Porsche/Audi over the years... some dealers were VW-Porsche, some were Porsche-Audi. Any had all three? |
The "Porsche+Audi" moniker dates from late 1969, when the existing Porsche dealership network was dissolved and the "new" network required any existing and would-be Porsche dealers to take on Audi as a companion product line (with new, separate showrooms, etc.). Many existing dealerships refused the offer. _________________ Thanks,
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restojohnny Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2004 Posts: 2763 Location: SPLITSVILLE , SON !!!!
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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a couple more heavy hitt'in frames a friend hooked me up with Bob Smith Hollywood and another SUPER early Harry Hill West Covina frame my 2nd one ever these are hard to find.
_________________ ** HELL YEAH I'LL SELL IT TO YOU**
O.G. POMONA VULTURE
$$ SWAPMEET MAFIA $$
53 LHD, LH cargo door standard kombi
54 Pre-A Porsche
55 oval ribbed door non-semiphore
56 semiphore ragtop
63 notchback (work in progress)
67 OG black paint beetle sedan empi accessorized
67 original Empi GTV beetle convertible !!
67 euro squareback
67 deluxe walkthru (work in progress)
67 convertible ghia (work in progress)
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farnhamassoc Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2010 Posts: 122 Location: Riverside ca
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:49 am Post subject: Bozzani porche license frame |
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61SNRF wrote: |
I'm curious on how many different style plate frames Bozzani Porsche/VW have made over the years. They are an old SoCal dealer that has been in the LA area at least since the 60's. The dealer has been in several locations throughout the years, and sold VW and Porsche's side by side at one of them. It would seem like they had a new style made every few years or when they moved.
This is the type that came on my current '66 and is original to the car...
Here is a small sample of three different ones found at last years pre-Classic OCTO swap meet.
None of them are identical to mine. One on the bottom is similar but has a different font weight...
I had on in the 80s that just said Bozzani on the top Porche on the bottom. it was black with raised chrome or gold letters I cant remember exactly which one. Thinking chrome.
A friend has yet another version of their combination Porsche/VW frames and the fonts are slanted or in italics!
Please post pictures if you have any others to share,
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Bug-nut Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2015 Posts: 485 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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To the best of my knowledge my VW was originally from Athens, Alabama. According to the dealer database, (if I understand it right, I'm usually pretty dumb ) my Beetle would most likely have been sold by this dealer
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/dealers/magnussonsimportmotors_athens_al.php
Does anyone know if that dealer had license plate frames? I've googled Magnussons and can't find any information at all except what's on this site. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! _________________ 1959 Fjord Blue Volkswagen Beetle
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight=
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EverettB Administrator
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MANNAXMAN Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2009 Posts: 485 Location: Cali
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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I just picked up this frame yesterday off of Craigslist. It had a slight curve to it, from being bolted directly onto a 65-66 deck lid, and a few bends, which were pretty easily removed, for the most part. I hit it with some steel wool for a few minutes to get it to look like this. I'd love to trade it for a Wes Behel Sunnyvale frame in similar condition.
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restojohnny Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2004 Posts: 2763 Location: SPLITSVILLE , SON !!!!
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Plate Frame List and Dealer Discussion |
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Oh dang another cool Pomona find
_________________ ** HELL YEAH I'LL SELL IT TO YOU**
O.G. POMONA VULTURE
$$ SWAPMEET MAFIA $$
53 LHD, LH cargo door standard kombi
54 Pre-A Porsche
55 oval ribbed door non-semiphore
56 semiphore ragtop
63 notchback (work in progress)
67 OG black paint beetle sedan empi accessorized
67 original Empi GTV beetle convertible !!
67 euro squareback
67 deluxe walkthru (work in progress)
67 convertible ghia (work in progress)
"STAY OUTTA MY BACKYARD !!! " |
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