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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Cam bolts, usually grade 5 5/16 fine thread bolts, 14 ft-lb and coated with locktite.
Star lockwashers are for steel gears only, if using mag/aluminum gear then use no washer.
CB's head look great. Should perform very similar to Tims stage one. Better? maybe, not by much if any for this app.
You were going for the "super stock" right? Good choice.
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5966 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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FWIW, a few years ago I swapped heads on my 1835.
I went from mildly ported 041's (39x32) to stock 044's (40x35)
cam was a W120, compression went from high 8 to low 9 with the head swap.
Engine ran a little cooler CHT, was maybe a bit faster at wide open throttle, maybe. Not a big enough difference to be sure with my butt dyno. _________________ modok wrote:
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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so i have a question now about thick wall 92MM cylinders... I saw that i can buy just the cylinders from Air-cooled.net, they would fit in 92mm case and 94mm heads. I was thinking of going that route. Is it worth the hassle? would it keep it that much cooler?? If i did go and still used small valves, would that hinder me down the road if i wanted to use those heads for 94MM P&C? any help. thanks _________________ My build:
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stan_tichomirov Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2005 Posts: 1719 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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There isn't much hasstle unless you drop the cylinder, the part that slips into the case is somewhat thin and may crack. Other than that, they fit into 90.5 case and work fine.
Stan _________________ Aircooled.net
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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stan_tichomirov Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2005 Posts: 1719 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Who knows, mine ran cool enough, that's in the details. Are you deciding between 90.5s and thick 92s? Cutting heads for 94s may cut into stud holes/fin in some cases if that's a concern. 92s have thicker walls, but a bit less cooling fin area.
Stan _________________ Aircooled.net
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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The tw92 are the same as 94 except a smaller hole in the middle.
Need to have the case machined to accept 94 cylinders, which includes cutting the deck surface .060"
Why don't they shorten the cylinders so you don't have to deck the case?? don't ask me, I don't know. |
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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well, a year later and i'm finally gonna get this thing built. It's amazing how life sucks money out of you when you least expect it. LOL.. I have my heads and misc parts supposed to show up tomorrow. I'm going to review my thread and then will be asking more questions. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Stay tuned. thanks in advance.. _________________ My build:
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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so i got most my stuff, going to start assembly again. I will test fit everything before assembly. i have a couple questions...
1. for the cam lobes, should i lightly sand or emory cloth the edges so they are rounded(i can't remember if they are smooth or not)
2. how much backlash or clearance for the oil pump gears? how do i measure?
3. For full flow fittings... do i use any kind of teflon tape, or just straight thread into case, cover, and oil filter housing?
4. is it better or worse to mount the oil filter in a horizontal position instead of vertical.
thanks for the help.. I'm sure i will have some more questions tomorrow. _________________ My build:
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AZOffTheWall Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2012 Posts: 209 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Wow, a year later and it still not assembled.
You can debur the cam, clean all the edges, steer clear of bearing surfaces and cam lobes. I pulled a couple of pics out of the gallery.
You want to check how much the oil pump drive is in the cam slot
I've always used Teflon tape on pipe fittings, keep it clear of the openings, no need to get it right to the end of the fitting a thread or two back is fine. Install it once, if you take it out clean everything and use new tape.
Oil filter works the same upside down or how ever you want to install it, it make for a cleaner oil change if you hang it straight down but sideways is fine.
Take your time, it's already been a year so what a couple more days to get it right. Good luck _________________ My Build: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=665399&highlight=
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15303 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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DO NOT use Teflon plumbers tape on anything for your engine. Use liquid or paste thread sealer. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Thank you. Not sure what all i'll get started on today, but hopefully some. I'll have questions about break in also when the time gets close _________________ My build:
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Okay. I have some more random questions.
1. When at TDC for #1the cam lobes for #'s 1&3 should both be pointed towards #3 right? And the key on the crankshaft should be at the 9:00 position??? If they aren't then is my distributor drive in 180 out?
2. Should I use valve Lash caps with swivel feet adjusters? If so when I set up my rockers. Do I want to center them on the valves or put them to the side? If off to the side, how far??? Thanks _________________ My build:
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3462 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:01 am Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Judging by the type of question your asking regarding the cam lobe direction, it doesnt seem like you checked your cam gear to make sure its bolted on the cam correctly and lined up the dots on the cam gear and crank gear. Do the two things and you dont need to know the cam lobe direction _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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jpaull wrote: |
Judging by the type of question your asking regarding the cam lobe direction, it doesnt seem like you checked your cam gear to make sure its bolted on the cam correctly and lined up the dots on the cam gear and crank gear. Do the two things and you dont need to know the cam lobe direction |
I lined up the dot on the cam gear in line with the oil pump slot on the cam. and my dot on the cam gear is in-between the two dots on the crank gear. Just double checking everything. I still got to pull the case apart again before final assembly, i will double check everything... _________________ My build:
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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I do still need help with my rockers though...
Use valve lash caps with swivel feet or no??? And
How much off the side of the valve do i have the swivel foot? and does it matter which side??
Please help me, i'm drowning.. I will do some more research also. thanks _________________ My build:
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:17 am Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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well for anyone that's still listening. I got my motor together and did the cam break in saturday night. It fired up almost instantly. I've been trying to seat the rings when i get the time. It's been doing pretty good. The problem is i listen too much. I can't tell what's "vw noise" and whats bad noise.. haha
I'm going to take it for a decent drive tonight, then change the oil again and check the valves again. I plan on running it all weekend this weekend. So we will see how it goes. I'm really curious to tear down the old motor. I think my heads were gone. and the valve guides were leaking. When i pulled the carbs off it, there was oil in the #3 intake port.
Thanks for all your help. No news is good news... fingers crossed... _________________ My build:
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turbotype1 Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2005 Posts: 582 Location: seacoast
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:22 am Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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Awesome.... _________________
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chubby53 Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2005 Posts: 2106 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:26 am Post subject: Re: advise on an 1835 build please. |
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well took it out for the forth of july weekend. Changed the oil and adjusted the valves camping. so far so good. My valve cover gaskets seem to keep leaking though. I really don't want to use any sealant on those, i've had good luck in the past with none. don't know what the deal is. Also looks like the cheapo push rod tubes i got are leaking were they compress. That kind of sucks. and it's still leaking around my oil pump. All of this is manageable though. I'm going to clean her up and retorque the heads also. Now that the forth is over i'll have more time to mess with it. Here is a pic of me on the dunes though...
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