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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: Spongey pedal/clutch issue: solved. Cross shaft broke |
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So the other day I adjusted my clutch cable and in hind sight I probably adjusted it too tight ( it would disengage within an inch of pressing in the pedal).
I started hearing engine noise or something when clutch pedal pushed to the firewall. Well then I pushed the clutch in, felt a clunk of sorts then the pedal is Spongey as hell and when the pedal is pushed to the firewall the throw arm on the transaxle doesn't move much.
The pedals have been pulled, next is to pull the clutch cable out and inspect it, if it's fine is the next step the clutch cable tube brackets or pull the engine to check the throw out bearing?
The cross shaft had one of the arms break and fall off.
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Clutch cable guide tube is has broken loose of its supports..
Have fun..
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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That's what I was figuring, and of course my Dad and I welded the access squares that had been cut to repair it before when we were going over the VE after I first purchased it.
I did a lot of set hearing here, just needed verification of what I though was the issue before I cut into the channel.
Shoulda left the access squares open. LMAO. (This is going to suck) |
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Or it could just be the cable itself that has broken just one or two strands. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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cn63bug Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Danwvw wrote: |
Or it could just be the cable itself that has broken just one or two strands. |
+1
Had the same thing happen to me. Several strands broke on my clutch cable and it became super spongey |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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cn63bug wrote: |
Danwvw wrote: |
Or it could just be the cable itself that has broken just one or two strands. |
+1
Had the same thing happen to me. Several strands broke on my clutch cable and it became super spongey |
True..... no doubt it could be.. it will feel like stepping on a rubber band clutch...
Car HAD access holes... hmmmmm.. previous repair failed..
Time will tell..
Ill wait for the report ... Place ya bets folks..
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
Search "VOLKSWAGNUT" on YouTube since you cant watch a "certain" BELT change video round here
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Well the clutch cable is good. The front and rear of the tube is secured. So it's either pull the engine and inspect the clutch and bearing first or take the interior out, then cut a new inspection port. I almost feel like pulling the engine is easier. |
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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I had a 67 once that someone had done this to: If the cable is not bad that's probably it. Did you check the cable at the petal end?
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Sorry for the late reply.
The clutch cable is good, I think I'm going to drop the engine and inspect the throw-out bearing and clutch. If that checks out I will have to pull the interior and re-cut the center channel and inspect the middle tube bracket. |
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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I pulled the engine to inspect the throw-out bearing... It's sitting on the transmission shaft because the racket that holds it failed. I'll get pictures tomorrow. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Lucky you!
Just last weekend I had to re-weld the tube (in the front and the middle) on my '70 . . . loads of fun . . . NOT! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Seņor y Salvador! |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue |
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Adjusting the cable too tight might have hastened the demise of the TO bearing. If I remember right, VW welded a little tang on the pedal in later years to limit travel and thus prevent this. |
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Spongey pedal/clutch issue: solved. Cross shaft broke |
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The cross shaft broke, on of the welds on the passenger side arm broke.
Of course now everything is assembled and I am adjusting the clutch cable wing nut and it has almost bottomed out the threads. I hope I don't need a new damn clutch.... I just put the engine back in! |
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