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Cowbeze15
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 Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:21 am Post subject: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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Hi Everyone,
I am starting on my 66 bug build and I have a question for everyone. Should I separate the body from the pans if the pans are in great shape and do not need to be replaced or repaired? I know it will be easier to do the chassis work but is it really worth it? This is my first build and I am not making a show car but a daily driver.Thanks in advance
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:23 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not separate, that is the question. |
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IMO..
If the pans, rockers, channels and body gasket are good.... no real need to split it..
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grandpa pete
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rsthj
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:12 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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| I did that on my '63 when it wasn't strictly necessary. It led to a 15 year delay in the project. |
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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| I would however, probably pull up the tar board or whatever is covering the pans and take a looksee under to check out the condition. I just did on my Texas purchased vehicle and found the beginnings of rust which I luckily caught in time and was able to ospho and paint before real issues started. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:29 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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| Sharp64 wrote: |
| I would however, probably pull up the tar board or whatever is covering the pans and take a looksee under to check out the condition. |
X2.. ^
Heat from the bottom (500 watt lamp) and peel..
Its amazing what can be lurking under those pan tar boards, especially in the ribbed valleys..
I generally dont touch the material on the tunnel..
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carcrazed
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:30 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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Even if you have to replace channels and pans, you can do that with the body on. I have done it twice.
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Julio_Arcos123
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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Check to see if you have any rust up front near the napolean hat. If you do itll be easier to remove and weld on new pieces with the body off. Double check the heater channels near the back as well. It can be done with the body still on bit itll be a major pain.
Like everyone else said too, take off all the tar boards and check for ANY signs of rust. Moisture can still get in and does. You wont need to remove the body for removing the rust here if there is. Coat it with por-15 or something similar Then later on buy some sound deadning material and lay it down.
Overall looks dry so doesnt look like youll need o remove it.
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Digger89L
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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Yes ...that would be a MAJOR BONUS (especially with a car of this age) not to have to do any body-off work. And, as someone already mentioned, it could literally shave YEARS off the time it takes to complete your project!
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Cowbeze15
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:13 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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| Thanks everyone for your feedback and tips. I will definitely peel off the tar paper heating from the bottom 😀😀. Should I reuse them after I clean up under them? I am excited to start the project. Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone. |
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Sharp64
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:42 am Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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| Cowbeze15 wrote: |
| Thanks everyone for your feedback and tips. I will definitely peel off the tar paper heating from the bottom 😀😀. Should I reuse them after I clean up under them? I am excited to start the project. Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone. |
I would be surprised if they came off in one piece to reuse. You may want to make sure you have a good scraping tool. |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: To separate or not to separate, that is the question. |
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Looks great, but get new battery cables from Wolfsburg West ASAP. Those replacement battery clamps are great short term reapair for getting home, but junk for long term use. Having the extra connection between the clamp and cable allowing battery acid in there and corrosion in is not helpful. The clamps should at least be crimped on so tight as to make a gas tight connection that oxygen and acid can not get into.
The WW battery cables have brass clamps that last much longer than the lead ones and are soldered to the cables.
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