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Eric&Barb
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Same socket removes the rear axle nuts so you can do brakes, or axle seals. You should get that tool soon for those fixes.
While you have the fan out check that the spacing between the gen tin and rear (rear as in closest to rear bumper)of the fan is about .080".
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Zundfolge1432 
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
Same socket removes the rear axle nuts so you can do brakes, or axle seals. You should get that tool soon for those fixes.
While you have the fan out check that the spacing between the gen tin and rear (rear as in closest to rear bumper)of the fan is about .080". |
It's 36mm or 1 inch and 7/16 easiest to obtain the standard size used at a flea market. I'd look for half inch drive. Easier still obtain a impact gun and with some practice you can buzz these on and off quickly. I made a thread sometime back showing exactly how to install fan |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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60ragtop
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Easier still obtain a impact gun and with some practice you can buzz these on and off quickly. |
really bad advice. Might be OK to take the nut off but never tell anyone to use an air gun to install it 
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked  |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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sb001 please post an image of the left side of the cooler. That way can tell if the cooler has swollen at all.
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| sb001 please post an image of the left side of the cooler. That way can tell if the cooler has swollen at all. |
Will do as soon as I get home from work.
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Mr.Duncan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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My case is actually a Brazilian AS 21, not a 41. But I still assume it uses 10mm oil passages.
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Its 10.
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Mojo07470
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| The odd thing about this thread is everything is about overheating. And yet there's a thread about a guy from texas that knows he's overheating yet he says runs fine and idles well. Just an observation kind of curious isn't it? |
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zoobyshoe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| That said, most if not all original VW/Bosch SVDA's were properly timed at 7.5° BTDC, with vacuum advance hose (only vacuum signal the SVDA uses) disconnected and plugged. When I tried that with mine, it pinged under higher loads like pulling a hill or accelerating at higher speeds. So I backed it off a smidge from that and it seemed fine--which is where I have it now. |
You're saying it's backed off a smidge from 7.5 at idle, right, with no hoses attached? If so, did you get there by timing it to 30* BTDC at full throttle? If so, I'll shut up about that, because that would also be my best guess about where it should idle if you're trying to imitate a SVDA with a DVDA.
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| In fact, I think I would actually be inclined to get the exact proper vacuum distributor for your engine and carb. Mechanics' lore about what hacks you can get away with is sometimes right, but when a problem goes on and on, I start to wonder what hidden problems those hacks might be causing. |
It's amazing how many people say "get the right distributor" without researching to see I have the correct one.
I DO have the correct carb and distributor for my engine! It's a 1600 single port with an autostick, which was a Bosch 113-905-205 AD or AE distributor, and a Solex 30 PICT 3 carb! It's all right there in my signature line. It's all perfectly matched to my engine-- the only "hack" I am doing right now is using my DVDA canister as an SVDA. I'll fix that asap. |
Apologies for not checking whether you had the right distributor. I jumped to the conclusion you weren't sure you did, due to this post in the other thread:
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| You mentioned earlier in your thread that you had a DVDA distributor, from a '71+ bug? Is that correct? |
...Yes my AE distributor is apparently either from a 70 or 71 autostick, but which one???- Old Volks Home lists it as for a 1970 autostick (along with the AD), but the Bosch tuneup chart lists it for a 71. (Old Volks Home lists a "service replacement only" distributor for the 71 autotick, but says the AH will work.) This ALSO makes a difference in knowing, because the correct distributor for a 70 would have been for a 1600 single port with a 30 PICT 3 (which is the engine I have and the carb I am running.) BUT if it's really for a 71, that would have been for a DUAL PORT 1600 with a 34 PICT 3. Correct? You see the problem I have, trying to diagnose all this conflicting info??
Honestly I am beginning to think Old Volks Home is wrong in this case, but either way according to them the AE distributor is interchangeable with the AA (from a 69) or the AD (from whatever.) So it shouldn't make a difference! God this hurts my head. |
Also, I read, for example:
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| In 1971 (in the USA) the VW engines were shipped with a “smog” distributor, which had a vacuum retard in addition to the vacuum advance. This is also the year when most VW engines were also updated to the dual port head and intake manifold configuration, along with a change in carburetors from the 30 PICT series to the 34 PICT series, which has the additional port for the vacuum retard. |
http://www.aircooled.net/vw-distributor-options/
Which creates the strong impression the DVDA was primarily intended by Volkswagen to be paired with the Dual Port 1600 and the 34 series carbs. This was their new anti-smog set up. I acknowledge that it says "most" and not "all," but, however many single port 1600's might have been shipped with a DVDA and 30 PICT carbs, my impression is that they were actually engineering that distributor for the dual port with 34 series carbs. Meaning: it may never have been the happiest match for your engine and carb, even though VW released them together.
The "hack" I was referring to is operating a dual vacuum as a single (but, yeah, my phrasing was ambiguous. Sorry.). |
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| sb001 please post an image of the left side of the cooler. That way can tell if the cooler has swollen at all. |
Here you go
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| The odd thing about this thread is everything is about overheating. And yet there's a thread about a guy from texas that knows he's overheating yet he says runs fine and idles well. Just an observation kind of curious isn't it? |
Not sure who you are referring to, there is a guy in Houston (jovanybg) who is having pretty much exactly the same issues I am, but I don't remember him saying it's OK. Whoever it is, if he knows it's overheating and doesn't care, well...
There is a reason this thread has gone 20+ pages, because I am desperate to figure this out due to knowing EXACTLY the repercussions of having these engines overheat.
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Mojo07470
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| There is another thread called overheating issues in texas. Its on this forum he's obviously concerned about it or he wouldn't post about it. Like I said just seemed odd. Thats all. Good luck with your project. |
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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Apologies for not checking whether you had the right distributor. I jumped to the conclusion you weren't sure you did, due to this post in the other thread:
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| You mentioned earlier in your thread that you had a DVDA distributor, from a '71+ bug? Is that correct? |
...Yes my AE distributor is apparently either from a 70 or 71 autostick, but which one???- Old Volks Home lists it as for a 1970 autostick (along with the AD), but the Bosch tuneup chart lists it for a 71. (Old Volks Home lists a "service replacement only" distributor for the 71 autotick, but says the AH will work.) This ALSO makes a difference in knowing, because the correct distributor for a 70 would have been for a 1600 single port with a 30 PICT 3 (which is the engine I have and the carb I am running.) BUT if it's really for a 71, that would have been for a DUAL PORT 1600 with a 34 PICT 3. Correct? You see the problem I have, trying to diagnose all this conflicting info??
Honestly I am beginning to think Old Volks Home is wrong in this case, but either way according to them the AE distributor is interchangeable with the AA (from a 69) or the AD (from whatever.) So it shouldn't make a difference! God this hurts my head. |
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Good point! 
It does hurt my head to discuss my distributor, mainly because there is varying information regarding it. There was an AD and an AE distributor, and they are both listed interchangeably for 1970 autosticks on the Old Volks Home website, but one is listed for 1970 and the other is listed for 1971 on the Bosch tuneup chart. (More on that below.) They apparently both used DVDA (vacuum advance AND retard) canisters with them, and they both have EXACTLY the same advance and retard signal measurements: 6-8° of retard at idle, and 8-12° of advance whenever it kicks in (it should not be a factor at idle.)
So either way, they appear to be the same distributor. So it doesn't really matter that VW went to a dual port setup in 1971 when you are talking about the autostick distributors because they were already using a DVDA setup. (The manual tranny cars were using vacuum only distributors--no mechanical advance--up through 1970, then they switched to the DVDA as well.) Also, the early autostick DVDA distributors were always timed at 0° TDC, instead of 5° ATDC like the manual tranny DVDA distributors.
Now according to the Bosch tuneup chart:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/Bosch_Tune_Up_Parts/Bosch_Tune_Up_Parts.pdf
my distributor uses a DVDA canister with it, part # 07138 (or short number 837 which is stamped on the vacuum canister arm.) If you scroll down to the "vacuum canister part numbers" section of this chart, and find my 113-905-205 AE distributor, you will see this. This is the exact canister I am currently running. You will also see that the application year listed for it is 1970, but with a question mark. This probably simply means that it is interchangeable with the AD autostick distributor-- EITHER of these can be used properly with a 1970 1600cc single port autostivk setup (which is what I have in my car right now even though my car is a 69 model.)
Similarly, if you look at the autostick distributors listed for 1970 on the Old Volks Home website:
http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm#A1970A
you will see that they list both the AD and AE distributors for a 1970 autostick. So it would appear I have the correct distributor, AND the correct matching DVDA canister for it.
But hold on-- look at the Old Volks Home page again. See down at the bottom of the 1970 autostick listing? it ONLY gives a vacuum ADVANCE spec! And it only mentions disconnecting ONE vacuum hose when setting timing! Which would imply that I am supposed to have an SVDA canister instead of a DVDA!
I will say this though: every single Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor I have ever seen (which would be the correct carburetor for a 1970 1600cc single port), that has the "227 modification state" number stamped on it, which designates it an autostick carburetor, has the vacuum retard port on it. (As well as the third port for a vacuum line over to the autostick control valve, of course.) So as far as I am concerned I DO have the correct DVDA canister and Old Volks Home just got their specs wrong.
See what I mean? Conflicting information that gives me a headache.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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| sb001 please post an image of the left side of the cooler. That way can tell if the cooler has swollen at all. |
Here you go
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Guess it looks OK. Was hoping for more direct shot at that side to see that the flattened cooling tubes did not swell up.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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No sponge on those non-doghouse coolers?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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No sponge on those non-doghouse coolers?
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No |
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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No sponge on those non-doghouse coolers?
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Well I have to sponge up oil off the floor sometimes 
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sb001
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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Guess it looks OK. Was hoping for more direct shot at that side to see that the flattened cooling tubes did not swell up. |
Sorry, this is about the best I can do with my crappy camera phone:
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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Looks great!! Should be good to go.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Sick of this and about to give up. |
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Looks good. Now convert to a doghouse shroud and cooler while it's apart 
Sure as hell wouldn't hurt at least. It would keep temps down on your 3/4 head, keep oil temp down a tiny bit. Any little bit would help in your situation.
My favorite rig for a 99% stockish daily driver is a doghouse 1600 single port with 30pict3, matching dizzy, oil bath, and a basic header (modified for proper heat riser operation) and quiet pack or hideout muffler. Hard to kill when rigged up correctly.
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