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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

I have not actually done that yet just did those test with some fresh air heater hose to the carb full on. Probably won't have that until I put this engine in the bus which I don't plan on anytime soon. The plan for hooking up the heat is just as it would be with the stock oil bath air cleaner and maybe run the 69-70 lever flaps to control it even though it's a 1971 Bus with a failed wax pellet thermostat.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

"williamM" The heat risers came today, Look Good. Looks like I am going to have to remove the manifold to get them in it. They go in about 1/2" then get really tight.

What I need to figure out now is what I should put in around the riser tubes to make them seal and can I cut them off a little more?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

I was thinking the orange silicone RTV gasket sealer High Temp would be good. And. I was thinking of putting a restricted gasket at the muffler flange but am not sure which end it goes on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

I think if you drill the intake to where the risers will fit in all the way and snug, and then possibly use orange RTV or muffler putty to seal it would work fine. There isn't much pressure through the risers when they are clear and maintained.

Small hole in the gasket goes on the left (the side with the tube running down into the muffler) is how I've always done them, but it's been a while since I rocked a centermount... when done this way my risers were always super hot and burned off their paint rather quickly. Too bad these don't come in stainless.

Running the stock style oil bath with a cable control off of the flaps would be a great way to do things in my opinion, I prefer those to the wax pellet cleaners. Looks like you are almost done! Should work great once it's all done up.

Almost bought a zenith at the swap yesterday, but the guy didn't want to let it go for less than $100, and it had a gritty throttle shaft, so I passed. I kind of want to grab one up for a single port build at some point, and put together a nice simple rig...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

I got this Zenith: Single Zenith Carburetor. Ad, from the classifieds here on the Samba, It is in fair condition. I took it apart and greased all the screws and cleaned the jets but not really a re-build, has the old gaskets needs orings etc. Base is a bit rough around the butterfly but it's getting better with use, but it tunes and works flawless.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

Had to cut the riser tubes about 3" shorter or so to get them in. Sealed With the Permatex Ultra Copper Gasket Maker.
Had a few problems with fit. Did not have a restricter gasket so made one with a bronze flange and a washer, It's about a 1/4" hole now, sits there well can't go anywhere but I used the Permatex on it too.
Not real happy with this set-up, I think it will start leaking exhaust fumes at the intake manifold in time, also There is not anything to brace the manifold and Zenith Carburetor yet. Need to find a brace or something for that. Will give it a test start and run and collect new temperature readings in a couple of days after that 700 Degree F silicone set's.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

I would bend a piece of steel to run between one of the fuel pump mounting studs and one of the carb base studs, should brace it just fine. To prevent future leaks maybe stake the tubes in place all around the edge of where they enter the manifold? Maybe use an alloy brazing rod that sticks to aluminum, and braze them on?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

Yeah, I ordered some 8mm all thread and some M8 X 1.25 connecting stand off nuts, I will try making a brace that connects at the fuel pump and the carb base with them.

I like the idea of brazing the riser tubes but I don't think there is any kind of metal rod that will braze to aluminum. I wonder if the temperature of brazing them is low enough for a BERNZOMATIC CUTTING, WELDING AND BRAZING TORCH KIT they only cost about $60. May-be the Aluminum brazing rod from tractor supply.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Fitting Heat Riser Tubes Reply with quote

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if you use the stock air cleaner setup to feed the hot air, the heat is provided at idle and removed at WOT as it is controlled by the thermoswitch and the flap is operated by manifold vacuum.
So you do not feed the engine too-hot air and boil the fuel and reduce power at WOT.

You can use exhaust cement for sealing the heat risers to the manifold.. Works best with slightly undersized tubes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Warm Up Time Reply with quote

Danwvw wrote:
Here is some temperature data collected during the first 5 minutes of operation no load @ 3000 RPM. With intake air pre-heat on full but no heat risers present yet. The coolest point on the RaceTrim intake manifold was just below the RaceTrim name dead center on the manifold.

Ambient Temperature F:----------------------------------------------------- 71.4'
Coolest Temp happened about a minute or so into the 5 minute run:----- 54' F
After 5 minutes the top of the carb was:----------------------------------127' F and increasing
After 5 minutes the coolest point on the RaceTrim manifold was:---------67' F and steady.

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Ok, New Data with (hot air on full), Yeah "mikedjames" I forgot it's just at idle, That will help because this thing was getting the carb too warm. (Heat Risers Connected).

Ambient Temperature F:------------------------------------------------------61.4'
Coolest Temp happened in the first minute at ------------------------------55.0'
Coolest Point on the RaceTrim-----80' @ 3min, 96' @ 5min, 120' @ 8min, 132' @ 10min
Carb Pre-Heat Air Temp------------75' @ 2min, 130' @ 6min, 135' @ 8min, 145' @ 10min
Heat Riser Left---------------------160' @ 5min, 170' @ 8min
Heat Riser Right-------------------400' @ 5min, 435' @ 8min

Measuring Temperature on the heat risers where they bend just up from the exhaust flange:
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