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TinCanFab
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 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:46 am Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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| Cool build you got going. I'm interested in the supercharger. Did you consider mounting it vertically?. I was messing with one on my 1385 ,& was pulling 8 pounds max. It about cut my mpg in half though. Hard to not keep it floored. I'm currently putting my car back together after new pans & h.channels & was considering installing s.charger in the vertical. |
Thank you. I toyed with the idea of mounting the blower pretty much in every position. Any way you choose it seemed there were compromises. I say, pick what is most important and make it work. I could not find any threads or pics of one mounted completely under the decklid. I made this my main focus. There's pics of a samba member with EFI and a Thing install where it is mounted vertical and way off to the side, it looks good but won't fit a bug engine compartment. The other pics I found were mostly people that didn't care about running the decklid closed. I can totally understand that, I was just tired of using stand offs or propping the lid. Going away from being able to use stock carb, distributor and fuel pump changes everything. Electric fuel pump, crank trigger, intake and side draft carb plus all the little extras are pushing another $500-1000 into my budget. I hate that, but in the end it will be unique. If the 40hp is what I have to work with, then I gotta make it interesting for myself.
The main requirements of the whole car build set by my significant other:
Nothing girly looking
Nothing with white accents
Features that won't be seen on every other bug/anything unique
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Next, I'll paint the areas where the pan gasket sits and reinstall the pan. As you can see, I'm just re painting these areas for rust protection, not perfect show quality. There was quite a bit of surface rust and some pitting. I just need everything sprayed that I can't get to once the pan is back in place. At the final paint stage, I can scuff and blend in the final body color. This is probably the only part of the paint job made easier by doing the body in black. If I was shooting it any other color, I wouldn't be able to use my leftover pan paint. I do need to do this car on a budget, but I will spend the $$$ where it matters.
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TinCanFab
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Using a cheap Harbor Freight detail gun made it easy to shoot the bottom of the heater channels. The purple one with the rotatable cup is pretty awesome for $15 or whatever I payed for it a few years ago. In a few days, the body goes back on the pan. 
The Napoleon hat and rear section were in perfect condition underneath with OG paint still intact, so I left them alone.
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dcarlson12
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Totally blown away by your skills and ingenuity, both on your bug and your SC.
Wow!
One thing has me a bit worried is the amount of bending force you will be applying to the stud to which you attached your ingenious metric nut 'extender' to which the turn buckle supports are attached.
Maybe the downward force is not that much. ????
Dwight
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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| dcarlson12 wrote: |
Totally blown away by your skills and ingenuity, both on your bug and your SC.
Wow!
One thing has me a bit worried is the amount of bending force you will be applying to the stud to which you attached your ingenious metric nut 'extender' to which the turn buckle supports are attached.
Maybe the downward force is not that much. ????
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I appreciate the compliments, thank you. I totally agree with your concern about the exhaust stud. I'm definately going to keep brainstorming on it for awhile. I knew I wanted to use the stud to some degree, but never expected it to support all the weight and flexing, which is why I added the big mount directly under the blower. Basically, I worked my way from the outside where I had the most room, towards the center where I knew I needed to hold the majority of the weight. It didn't feel that sturdy IMHO using the stock intake manifold alone, although other people have done it.
I plan on changing the coupling nut to a solid one piece version so there are no welds to crack and also the bolt to a hardened one. Once I get a crank trigger setup finalized, I also want to tie in the tensioner bracket to the alternator stand studs. First, I want to make sure I don't need to use those for a sensor bracket and have to redo everything later....
Now, when I mount the blower to that big "C" channel bracket, I don't even have the turnbuckle rods attached and it feels pretty sturdy. It has no noticeable flex from left to right. BUT, if you grab the blower you can get the bracket to flex about 1/16" from front to rear. You can see the big effect it has when you have the bubble levels in place. Then, I use the turnbuckle rods (which are waaaay stout and overbuilt for this) just to stiffen the front to back flex. So, in this case, the rods are putting a very slight tension pushing up on the fan shroud side of the "C" channel. Once I finish the engine and have final fit of all these pieces, I want to take the fan shroud off so I have room to weld in one small gusset to eliminate the last of the flex. Until then, the rods are allowing me to dial in the pulley alignment. I hope that explains it, when I get back to the engine, I'll post pics and explain more.
I've also changed the intake design to run behind the fan shroud, because I did not like trying to make multiple sharp turns and reduce the diameter of the tubing in such a short distance.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Using the chain hoist made the job super easy. You can just hang the body an 1/8" off the pan until you get all the bolts started. I highly recommend it. The only thing at the front that really needs to be done is mount the calipers and bleed the brakes. First, I need to repaint them and get the trans in place so I can mount the rears.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Your project is moving right along ; now that all the hard part is done  you can just pop it all together
OH yea  ; insert sarcastic joke here about how a 67 flasher switch will ruin originality of your build  
Keep the pictures coming .......Thankyou for entertaining the " OLD GUY " sitting on the couch cuz it's TOO DAM HOT to do anything in Florida right now !!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Your project is moving right along ; now that all the hard part is done you can just pop it all together
OH yea ; insert sarcastic joke here about how a 67 flasher switch will ruin originality of your build
Keep the pictures coming .......Thankyou for entertaining the " OLD GUY " sitting on the couch cuz it's TOO DAM HOT to do anything in Florida right now !! |
yes, yes, yes! All the basics are thought out and done. I don't mean to fool any newbies into thinking it always goes this fast building a nice bug... I've been planning and collecting parts for many many years. I just have the tools, time and will power at the moment.
I'm going to be posting some cool stuff on trans repair. Mine is a good runner from my single cab that was geared to low with bug fourth gear. It came out of a dune buggy with bus RGB's, went into my old 67 bus, then my single and now finally going back into a Beetle. It's starting to make the infamous 4th gear howl, so I'm replacing the main shaft bearing. I'm not going to disassemble the gear stacks because I don't want to disturb parts that are working great. I'd rather build another box on the side in the future if needed.
You see a lot of posts asking about rebuilding your gear box yourself. I'll be showing you why it's a pain and special tools needed.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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| grandpa pete wrote: |
| The guy that just did a rebuild for me had a case that he had cut up so he could use it as an aligning tool !! |
I have 4-early and late type 1 and 002, 091 bus versions.
A guy had an ad up here about 5 years ago, a retired trans builder looking to get rid of all his stuff. The ad was up for months! These came from him, along with boxes of loose parts and all his homemade tools. I payed him $50 and had everything shipped in flat rate boxes. I couldn't believe what a good deal. If you are even possibly interested in VW tools, check the classifieds. I have some factory tools too that I also found on here, but had to by them as they became available and had the cash. Still, it's not cost effective to do them just for your own car, unless you have a ton of them.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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I never really see posts showing the trans tools in use. I thought it would be cool to show people since most of the time they only see the drawings in the Bentley manual. My goal is to have a quiet and happy gearbox. I'm not an expert builder but I always wanted to be able to service the entire car. It makes me feel more satisfaction and in the future who knows how many guys will still know how to do them? These tools are the unsung heros of our hobby. Here are only a fraction of what you may need to do one "by the book". There are many ways to skin a cat and builders have a lot of cool tricks up their sleeve and do things by feel, since they've been doing them for decades. I always thought it would be cool to reunite factory tools into one collection, but it takes time and patience. Here are just a sample of what you need to do a swing axle from scratch. Most people are not going to do all the measurement procedures shown in the book, but I'm not in a hurry so I'd like to practice with them.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Keep in mind that ALL I'm doing is checking measurements and swapping the easiest bearing to do in the whole gearbox! Just check the rear axle section in the Bentley and the technical sections on here. There's a cool link somewhere with pics of all the factory/dealer tools that I've used to find some of them. They don't always have a tool # stamped on them but they are almost always made by VW, Matra or Peiseler
Peiseler 289d
I fiberglass ex the OG box because it was falling apart. This thing lets you figure out how far forward or back the pinion gear is adjusted to with shims.
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