In-line AC System | In Progress

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Hello All,

I am in the process of designing an in-line AC system that uses no refrigerant, hoses or complex dash rearrangements. My main goal is to design a system that is as close to plug-n-play as possible.

Here are a few pictures of the first prototype:

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[VWinVT]

How does this work?
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[Wellington]

Peltier cooler???
Good luck with that. Couldn't even cool a cooler let alone a van interior.

[djkeev]

Interesting.

Do you have any real time statistics of its ability to cool?

Obviously there are skeptics who based upon experience and knowledge see this as not possible.
But, obviously man has done many things always thought of as impossible for many many years.

Any performance documentation would be interesting to see.

Honestly, I don't see it being able to cool a vehicle but...... When I was a kid we scoffed at putting man on the moon too.

Good luck!

Dave
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[Forthwithtx]

This is a new one on me. I have never heard of this technology.

Seems to me you could get one more module in there if you went to a square cross section instead of round, and transition to round on the ends. But, you're the inventor.

I'm gonna have to put a watch on this topic. Looks very interesting!

Cheers,

Karl
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[dhaavers]

Also curious about current draw...???
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[Syncro Jael]

This technology is not new and people have tried to adapt it to automobiles. It works in some applications mainly in electronic devices.

Here is some reading:

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/167168/car-a-c-using-peltier-devices-is-it-feasable

Good luck with your project it is fun technology.
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[Abscate]

A rough swag of an auto cooling system capacity is 5000 Watts

Thermo tells us it to move energy from the typical ambient to car comfort temperature takes about 1/3 of the cooling capacity or about 1500 Watts.

Thermo also tells us it doesn't matter how we do this - with compressors, Peltier, Bose Einstein condensation, Quantum mechanical tunneling....pick your Poisson.

Once you figure out how to power an auto accessory with 1500 watts power, or 100 Amps at 12 Volts, you are all set.
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If you can rotate that thing backwards, then I'll believe it
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[Zeitgeist 13]

That was a little inside joke for the longtimers around here. It essentially references the skepticism one can face when taking an unconventional pathway toward achieving a project goal. Carry on.
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[bobbyblack]

I have been doing head scratching on this for a while too. It makes sense if you figure out a way to use a large solar array. At the time I looked at it, it would take the entire top of my Westy, and some ingenuity on some panels on the sides as well. Moisture issues were plaguing my ideas tho. Another side of this, although it is optimized for cooling, it can also be used to heat.

I am "in" on this project, way to go on the design, looking good. If I am guessing right, there may be a need for a handful of these around the cabin of my Westy.
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Cooling a Vanagon interior with..

6 watts * 14 Volts = 84 Watt draw.



You can just catch the APS Division of Fluid Dynamics deadline for a paper of AUG 1 if you hurry. Ill be there, so that will be cool to see. It does help to Reynolds wrap your Fan Shroud, or Froude, as they call it.
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[90Doka_Guy]

Maybe I missed it, but how will the hot side air be removed from the interior? and what about condensate? If you have the ability, temperature delta and airflow numbers across the cold side would be very telling. Not to be a naysayer, but even at 100% efficiency, 84 watts inst a whole lot of heat being removed.

I have one of those on my desk, a small ~40watt unit with a big heat sink and fan on it that I bought just to screw around with. I thought about making some sort of single beer chiller with it but never got around to it. This post just made me fire it back up.

I like the packaging though, 3D printed?
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[Abscate]

You can couple the heat back into the electrons and then dissipate the energy climbing back up the potential gradient of the negative terminal of the battery - thus recharging it while you cool.

Is there IP or, even better, an IPA on this?
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