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mainexile
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 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:12 pm Post subject: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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I'm buying a new zero-miles long block from CIP for my 74 SB Vert 1600 DP. Old engine crapped the bed, and I'm not confident in my internal engine building skills. The new long block should arrive in about a week (the wagon train has a tough time heading east over the Rockies), but I wanted to ask the Samba brain trust if you've had any experiences with new long blocks and if there are any possible problem areas I should be checking before installation back in the bug. I plan to check valve lash and flywheel end play, but I bow to y'all's experience on any other items that could REALLY ruin my day after installation. Thanks.
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air-h2o-air
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| check flywheel/gland nut torque too |
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mainexile
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| air-h2o-air wrote: |
| check flywheel/gland nut torque too |
Thanks. I'll do that.
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johnnypan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| Change the engine oil 5 minutes after initial start up,again after the first test drive and again after 100 miles..getting the assembly debris out is important. |
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Cusser
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:05 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| johnnypan wrote: |
| Change the engine oil 5 minutes after initial start up,again after the first test drive and again after 100 miles..getting the assembly debris out is important. |
Good call. Wilco.
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:08 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| Add oil before starting, at least check, likely not added. |
You've always given me good gouge, so please answer this one: One of the Youtube gurus. vwdarrin, recommends running a high-zinc, break-in oil on new builds. Should I treat this as a new build and follow his advice?
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Cusser
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:19 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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Ask 1000 people, you'll get 999 different advices for "break in oil ".
What I've done, and same on the B2200 engine I built for my '88 Mazda truck, was to remove the coil wire and crank the engine until the oil pressure light went off and stayed off, then did first start.
Yes, change the oil soon after, at least by 500 miles.
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johnnypan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:53 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:26 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| Cusser wrote: |
Ask 1000 people, you'll get 999 different advices for "break in oil ".
What I've done, and same on the B2200 engine I built for my '88 Mazda truck, was to remove the coil wire and crank the engine until the oil pressure light went off and stayed off, then did first start.
Yes, change the oil soon after, at least by 500 miles. |
As always, good advice.
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:26 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
Sorry, old military habits.
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gt1953
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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High zinc oil on a flat tappet engine in my book is a requirement. Do what you want however.
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johnnypan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:28 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
the zinc fear is a bunch of crap
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:29 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| mainexile wrote: |
| johnnypan wrote: |
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Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
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Where were you stationed? Gulfport? Davisville? SD?
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1974 Super Beetle Convertible, 1600 DP.
2016 Honda Accord Coupe (wife's)
2006 GMC Canyon Crew Cab (mine)
1978 Grady White Pacer 174 Mercruiser 470 |
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johnnypan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| mainexile wrote: |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
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Where were you stationed? Gulfport? Davisville? SD? |
Port Hueneme,CA |
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:47 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| johnnypan wrote: |
| mainexile wrote: |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
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Where were you stationed? Gulfport? Davisville? SD? |
Port Hueneme,CA |
I used to work for a Navy Captain who did his twilight tour as CO, NB Ventura County in the late 90's. Jim Rainwater.
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First, make sure it will stop; then make sure it will go; finally, make it pretty.
1974 Super Beetle Convertible, 1600 DP.
2016 Honda Accord Coupe (wife's)
2006 GMC Canyon Crew Cab (mine)
1978 Grady White Pacer 174 Mercruiser 470 |
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johnnypan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:53 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| mainexile wrote: |
| johnnypan wrote: |
| mainexile wrote: |
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| mainexile wrote: |
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Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
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Where were you stationed? Gulfport? Davisville? SD? |
Port Hueneme,CA |
I used to work for a Navy Captain who did his twilight tour as CO, NB Ventura County in the late 90's. Jim Rainwater. |
I was long gone by then...hey,how do you know when our getting old? they decommission your old unit.. |
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pb_foots
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| johnnypan wrote: |
the zinc fear is a bunch of crap |
Please elaborate. I thought accepted wisdom was that zinc was needed to keep the cam from flattening, or prevent the heartbreak of psoriasis? Something like that? |
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mainexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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| johnnypan wrote: |
| mainexile wrote: |
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| mainexile wrote: |
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| You calling me Wilco? |
Sorry, old military habits. |
they die hard..
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Where were you stationed? Gulfport? Davisville? SD? |
Port Hueneme,CA |
I used to work for a Navy Captain who did his twilight tour as CO, NB Ventura County in the late 90's. Jim Rainwater. |
I was long gone by then...hey,how do you know when our getting old? they decommission your old unit.. |
Agreed. Three of the carriers I cruised on and three of my duty stations are long gone. Sad, but fond memories.
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1974 Super Beetle Convertible, 1600 DP.
2016 Honda Accord Coupe (wife's)
2006 GMC Canyon Crew Cab (mine)
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Multi69s
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: New (Zero Miles) Longblock |
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This is a lifter from a close to stock engine that had about 30K miles on it.
Both the cam (which was flat on that lobe) and the lifters were from a known good name manufacturer. There were no dual valve springs, in fact the spring pressure was just a little over stock. However, the owner just used regular oil (no zinc). I can not say for sure that the lack of zinc was 100% the reason for this failure, but this is not the only engine that I have seen fail under these circumstances. The way that I look at it is it is cheap insurance. How may dollars more is it JUST IN CASE. I ALWAYS use Bard Penn break in oil on all of my engines.
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