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CHenige
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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Not getting spark at plugs. New coil. Coil wire at distributor has spark. Points are opening and closing. Cap looks ok.
Next step replacing cap? Was working fine. |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:53 am Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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Have you rotated the distributor recently ? I'd move the crank pulley to TDC and see where the rotor is pointing.
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CHenige
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| Dark Earth wrote: |
| Have you rotated the distributor recently ? I'd move the crank pulley to TDC and see where the rotor is pointing. |
Wouldn't I still get spark even if distributor rotated? I did not touch anything before I lost spark. Thought it might be a week coil but replacement did not fix no spark at plugs. |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| CHenige wrote: |
| Coil wire at distributor has spark. |
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| Wouldn't I still get spark even if distributor rotated? I did not touch anything before I lost spark. Thought it might be a week coil but replacement did not fix no spark at plugs. |
If your distributor has been accidently turned, it will spark at a time when the rotor is not pointing to one of the posts on the inside of the distributor. To eliminate this as a possibility, turn the crank pulley until you are at TDC and see if the rotor lines up with a spark plug tower on the distributor cap.
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CHenige
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| Yep, lines up. Distributor is tight and never moved. |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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So your rotor lines up with this mark when your crankshaft pulley is at TDC ?
And your distributor cap still has the center contact ?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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maybe the condenser ?
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CHenige
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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First , thanks for the advice, 2nd, I will not see the car until Thursday. 3rd, if it matters this is supposed to be a 009 distributor.
My motor has the degrees pulley indicator on the crankshaft. It has two 0* marks. I turned one of them straight up and the rotor was at 45* from the front of the vehicle over the #2 plug wire. When I go back to the car I will do a better job of determining TDC and check.
My distributor has a black center contact that I can pull on and see the spring connected to it.
Where do I get a condenser for a 009 distributor? Autozone was clueless. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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most likely a vw shop .maybe someone will have a part number to help you out, but I think thats your problem.
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CHenige
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| Bosch #02-086 but no one carries it here. I will keep looking |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| CHenige wrote: |
| Coil wire at distributor has spark. |
Are you saying you have a high voltage spark through the red coil wire in the picture ?
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CHenige
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| Yes, I can pull the center wire out of the distributor and get close to the engine and there is a spark. |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| Yes, I can pull the center wire out of the distributor and get close to the engine and there is a spark. |
If you're getting spark to that point, It has to be the cap, rotor or plug wire causing the problem.
You want to have a nice strong bluish spark. Anything weak or golden brown is not good. IF the spark is weak ... I'd replace the points and condenser.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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Ohm out the Rotor, happens all the time. Just had someone call me this weekend and I had them ohm it out. Failed. Replaced it started right up. When it happens the resister fails that is epoxied in.
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CHenige
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:49 am Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| What reading should it be? I did test it for continuity and noticed it did have some kind of resistance in it. |
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Dark Earth
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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Here's what I got when I measured mine today. The car hasn't run since I brought it home last November (I'm currently in 'build' mode with my baja). It ran good and made it home under its own power. The ignition was working properly.
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CHenige
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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| I am going up Thursday to the car so I am visiting a air cooled arts place and pick up condense, rotor, points and cap. Hopefully I can figure out the bad part. |
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oldschool5er
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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Sorry late reply got back late. Normally a rotor that is bad will ohm out open or very little k ohm. If you can find a Black rotor those don't have resistors in them but it can cause noise on your radio. I run black spark plug ends and black rotors along with copper core wire but I can't hear radios anyway anymore. some cheap foreign rotors are solid rotors also.
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Dr OnHolliday
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: No spark. Coil good. ? |
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In a pinch - I installed an Autozone condenser on my 009....it just didn't have the square block on the wire that goes in the square hole, so I put some silicon on it to block the hole. It ran fine....
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