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63 vwnotch Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 734 Location: Riverside,CA Econo Motors
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:47 am Post subject: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Okay so I've been MIA for almost a decade so bare with me. Been in the market for a ragtop or vert and can't get over the pricetags.. Seems in the VW community prices are WAY inflated, now some of the rare early stuff with frame off restoration and every hose, nut and bolt polished/painted I get..(without sentimental value)
I've had many VW's In my life and have always prospered from the sale, as many of them I did work to, some just parts cars but regardless even when I thought my price was inflated I blush at what I see now...
I know there is a supply/demand over seas etc problem now but I'm talking about run of the mill type 1's here guys, you know the bug shaped thingy that plagued America and saturated the country with Millions...
Don't make me start throwing prices out there that I've sold my cats for and I thought I was making out, sheesh... _________________ BUS WANTED: 13 window BUS any year considered.. |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:03 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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it's not +/-10 years ago anymore.
i'm not ineterested what you sold your cats for.
63 vwnotch wrote: |
Don't make me start throwing prices out there that I've sold my cats for |
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63 vwnotch Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 734 Location: Riverside,CA Econo Motors
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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lol... autocorrect ....
what do you mean time is irrelevant?? 10 yrs ago market bared 4K for Bay windows complete, rust free and in number 1 or 2 condition per the samba.. ragtops in same condition basically sub 4k as well, type 3's, splitty's, and Things wore a different price tag pending rarity but still you could find a rolling 21 window rag for 10K...
og notch, zero rust under 10k easily all day long and then some, now, add new paint and you are magically at 45k..
some people simply need to put the pipe down is what I'm thinking. _________________ BUS WANTED: 13 window BUS any year considered.. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Some of the price tags are ridiculous I would agree but it's a fact of life that VWs are coming back in style apparently and prices have gone up. If you were picking up number 1 or 2 ragtops for under $4k ten years ago that's amazing. I remember decent rags selling in the 2500-3500+ range here in Orlando back in the late 80's. Sounds like a market correction? |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13843 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Ad to what has been said that fact of how many have been crushed in the last ten years. For me they are a poor mans investment. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3443 Location: Garage
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Ive noticed local prices are still better than samba prices. The only problem is they dont pop up as much as before. |
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63 vwnotch Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 734 Location: Riverside,CA Econo Motors
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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just talked to a guy that had a sweet pan off resto '63 rag, clean,clean and clean..... immaculate condition had it on CL for 14k only been on there for a few days and a guy left deposit and is suppose to pay him friday.... now that car I can see 14k because you literally don't have to do anything but keep it spotless...
I picked up a '61 rag with 1641, new rag cloth, straight body could use paint over 2nd respray, zero rust, no door panels, drove like a champ... 2,800 in Riverside in '05... so the deals are there ,it seems everything I ever bought was under 3K now that I think about it...
now they want twice that for cars in worse shape... _________________ BUS WANTED: 13 window BUS any year considered.. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69734 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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63 vwnotch wrote: |
10 yrs ago
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og notch, zero rust under 10k easily all day long and then some, now, add new paint and you are magically at 45k.. |
Under 10K would be a good deal now for a really nice original Notch.
I'd say 15K-20K now for a super nice one.
Lower teens for a clean one that needs some work.
Easy to find a project for less, there are tons for sale right now.
$45K... I guess you mean this?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1935306
This is a super nice custom car.
I don't know if it's worth $45K but it's definitely worth more than most of the cars out there.
Anyway, with a few exceptions, the cars that are reasonably priced sell pretty fast. All types.
You have to act fast or you might not even see them for sale. _________________ How to Post Photos
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15280 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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I blame it on the Internet and all the TV car auctions. Because people seeing 70's era V-8 muscle cars selling for $100,000 they think their VW ought to be worth $30,000. Today everybody in low populated and secluded parts of the country are posting their cars for sale on all the different Websites and lots and lots of people are looking so there is a much larger group of buyers to sell to. With the bad economy today the entire car hobby is weakening and nice cars are not bringing what they did 3-4 years ago. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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63 vwnotch Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 734 Location: Riverside,CA Econo Motors
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Everett sorry didn't realize that was posted here, I found it on google while perusing the lubes... lol, foot in mouth... not sure if that's the one as I just glanced through it but I does have the right price tag..
I'd love to have another notch maybe something semi custom this time, maybe a rag as well... _________________ BUS WANTED: 13 window BUS any year considered.. |
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air-h2o-air Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2015 Posts: 579
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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can't forget how many cars have been destroyed with the patina craze in the past 10 years....Every rust bucket created means 1 less good 1...supply and demand comes into play |
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63 vwnotch Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 734 Location: Riverside,CA Econo Motors
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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man I miss this place...
on the first page in Bay window classifieds a guy from France is using my old savanna beige bus picture as a WTB ad.. I wrote him and wished him good luck and to make matters worse told him I sold that bus for $3800 and was completely rust free, just missing the middle seat....
seeing that picture really makes me miss that one.... _________________ BUS WANTED: 13 window BUS any year considered.. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Simply put: The word's out.
And in those years another whole generation has come up digging these cars.
I don't blame the internet for pricing so much as for the availability of competition in the feeding pool. _________________
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Pinetops Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2007 Posts: 2987
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:34 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Bays have really shot up in price in the past few years. They have literally doubled. Hopefully that market will correct some and go back down a little. There are still a lot of bays out there. _________________ "A rolling bus gathers no rust." |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12816 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:20 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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air-h2o-air wrote: |
can't forget how many cars have been destroyed with the patina craze in the past 10 years....Every rust bucket created means 1 less good 1...supply and demand comes into play |
However, every patina car out there is one more that was saved from the crusher that may eventually be restored or used for parts at a later date. The patina cars are loved & enjoyed by those that can't afford or justify $5000+ paint jobs. Furthermore, these cars are being driven & not being relegated to model status therefore they are saving the nicer cars from the wear & tear of someone that wants to drive one. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8689 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:34 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Not all patina cars were saved from the crusher. I've seen plenty of folks take a sander to nice cars with nice paint. _________________ Brian
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:46 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
With the bad economy today the entire car hobby is weakening and nice cars are not bringing what they did 3-4 years ago. |
You've been saying this for years yet the prices keep going up
After working on VW's for years, here is my take in it. As they transitioned from DD to collectors cars, people who always wanted one bought one and get in over there heads as they try and restore it. They rip apart a perfectly good overpriced car and then buy every part new because the parts are out there. Then something happens and they have to bail out but they kept track of every dime spent and try and recoup it.Then comes along another "oh I've always wanted to learn how to work on one " to buy it and the cycle continues.
and yes part of the problem is TV auctions.
Most of the cars people list as a 10 are far from it _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13843 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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{[Most of the cars people list as a 10 are far from it }]
Agreed. One of my vehicles is a true blue patina. I would like to have it painted, however then I would be afraid to drive it. When going to the local cruise night I always get you should paint it and I then hold my hand out for donations.
Someone mentioned 5k for paint and this is correct. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:54 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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gt1953 wrote: |
Someone mentioned 5k for paint and this is correct. |
At least. I have a 64 which I feel is in very good condition other than one door and one fender that needs a little massaging and was quoted $5-15k. This is a rust free car, only the outside needs to be sprayed and I was even offering to strip the car and deliver it ready to be sanded, body work and sprayed. |
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67jason Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2005 Posts: 4741 Location: behind my back feet - Pittsburg CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: Re: VW 's and their Glorified Price tags!!! What's up with that?? |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
gt1953 wrote: |
Someone mentioned 5k for paint and this is correct. |
At least. I have a 64 which I feel is in very good condition other than one door and one fender that needs a little massaging and was quoted $5-15k. This is a rust free car, only the outside needs to be sprayed and I was even offering to strip the car and deliver it ready to be sanded, body work and sprayed. |
I think the closer to $15k on your quotes the less likely that those shops actually wanted to do the work. I am in the SF bay area where things are stupid expensive and I have two good friends going through basic paint and restoration type work right now at two different shops. Both guys are shooting for "driver quality" so not necessarily perfect and, one is getting paint and basic prep fro appx $4500 at a generic paint and body place, and the other is getting some rust repair, old bondo area's reworked and a few medium size dents along with disassembly and reassembly for right around $8500 from a reputable VW only restoration outfit. _________________ 67 bug x3
67 ghia
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