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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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Every Type IV engine owner should know this!!!

If you over tighten the Oil Strainer bolt, you will brake the engine case!
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There is a Oil strainer in there.
TORQUE THE STRAINER BOLT TO NO MORE THAN 9 FT. LBS.


Are we talking about B.
That should only be 9ft lbs. Maybe someone put Red loctite on there.
If that is the case, you are going to need to heat it up to about 450*F for 30 secs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

No the drain plug.
The strainer I hand tightened...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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No the drain plug.
The strainer I hand tightened...


Food for thought - Although many will boast they can, most mechanics including myself - even some have been wrenching professionally for 30 - 40 years can't 100% of the time tell the difference from 7 ft lbs to 9ft lbs, or from 9 ft lbs to 14 ft lbs. Want to see what happens if someone over tightens that nut by hand? First the cross bolt bends, then the case breaks. Suggest using a torque wrench that goes down to 9 ft lbs. Hand tight is probably too tight or too loose.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Threw me off with the 13mm.
Put some heat on the aluminium and give the plug a couple of wacks with a hammer. Don't send the plug threw the case. The idea is just to break the bond between the two dissimilar metals.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Frustrating day! I've never had so much trouble with a bolt.I tried, heat, pipe wrench, vise grips, smacking it with a hammer, craftsman extractor, and drilling for extractor.
Just broke off the drill extractor in the drain plug and this bitch still stuck.
Looks like I need to take it to a pro to see if they can weld a bolt to it and pull it that way. It might need more heat than my propane torch can put out.
Anybody want to buy a bus?
So I figure I'll end the day on a positive and install my slider with a new middle slider/hinge and now the door won't shut. Will start another thread for some assistance with that issue.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Hang in there! Sound like the situation I had with the brake caliper except I didn't break off the extractor, you one up'd me there but I guarantee I was just as frustrated. Were you using a corless drill or electric?

Do you have air tools? It might be worth checking prices on a small air compressor and air tool set vs taking it to someone. I picked one up this summer and I can't believe how long I did things by hand with so many hours of frustration with bumper, exhaust nuts etc... I do want to be clear I'm talking about the bolt going in reverse only on this particular part.

Can you take a pic so we can see your current situation?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Now I need some Sump Strainer Gaskets too. Are these an auto store item?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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Hang in there! Sound like the situation I had with the brake caliper except I didn't break off the extractor, you one up'd me there but I guarantee I was just as frustrated. Were you using a corless drill or electric?

Do you have air tools? It might be worth checking prices on a small air compressor and air tool set vs taking it to someone. I picked one up this summer and I can't believe how long I did things by hand with so many hours of frustration with bumper, exhaust nuts etc... I do want to be clear I'm talking about the bolt going in reverse only on this particular part.

Can you take a pic so we can see your current situation?

I drilled a hole in the drain plug and inserted the extractor that broke off flush.
I have air tools and compressor but for what?
At this point the bolt is completely rounder so I think the only option is welding something to it to try to pull it out.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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ac78 wrote:
Hang in there! Sound like the situation I had with the brake caliper except I didn't break off the extractor, you one up'd me there but I guarantee I was just as frustrated. Were you using a corless drill or electric?

Do you have air tools? It might be worth checking prices on a small air compressor and air tool set vs taking it to someone. I picked one up this summer and I can't believe how long I did things by hand with so many hours of frustration with bumper, exhaust nuts etc... I do want to be clear I'm talking about the bolt going in reverse only on this particular part.

Can you take a pic so we can see your current situation?

I drilled a hole in the drain plug and inserted the extractor that broke off flush.
I have air tools and compressor but for what?
At this point the bolt is completely rounder so I think the only option is welding something to it to try to pull it out.


I just thought an air drill or hammer drill would give you more umpf! Sounds like your in a tight spot now. Amazon might be a quicker source for your gaskets.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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Now I need some Sump Strainer Gaskets too. Are these an auto store item?

Reattaching the strainer is almost less fun than wrestling your drain plug....
the sabo brand kit includes two green gaskets, strainer plate/gasket/screen/
gasket/case perimeter is the sequence of assembly.
There should be a copper crush washer in there too, your's will be squashed into the plate fastening nut-look close & you'll see it, pry it out
and use the new one, be prepared for the "give" when the new one crushes
into place, also, I like putting it on with the seam facing the sump plate, it
is supposed to prevent oil from finding that seam & leeching out.
My tool for torquing plate is a bare-bones Sears Craftsman 3/8" ratchet,
the ugly non-chromed 6" kind. I torque it up, "feel" the new washer crush,
& turn it a tad more, like 1/8 turn, no more than 1/4 turn more or this all
ends in cursing, tears, heavy unplanned drinking or whatever you do when
ticked. Mooching a bike mechanic's torque wrench is sounding good now, h uh?
EDIT: I would try cramming sockets over that drain plug over & over till
it let go, versus tampering with the sump plate.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Which Vise Grips are you using.
Irwin Industrial, has the best grip that I have found.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Irwin-4935576-10CR-Vise...ethod=p13n
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Did you try a bolt extractor socket like this, or just the EZ out drill in extractor? Might be worth a shot if you haven't yet. http://www.harborfreight.com/9-pc-38-in-drive-metric-bolt-extractor-socket-set-67894.html
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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Welding a nut to those allen socket drain plugs gets them out, and makes them useful later too.


what makes you think an extractor would have worked in something that big, that was that tight?

bust out the welder, weld nut to the plug...done. 10 minutes tops...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

captincanuck wrote:
Did you try a bolt extractor socket like this, or just the EZ out drill in extractor? Might be worth a shot if you haven't yet. http://www.harborfreight.com/9-pc-38-in-drive-metric-bolt-extractor-socket-set-67894.html

I tried the craftsman brand. No luck...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
Welding a nut to those allen socket drain plugs gets them out, and makes them useful later too.


what makes you think an extractor would have worked in something that big, that was that tight?

bust out the welder, weld nut to the plug...done. 10 minutes tops...

I was desperate and sober.
I'll have to get out the welder tomorrow and try to weld a nut to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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I was desperate and sober.
I'll have to get out the welder tomorrow and try to weld a nut to it.


well, that's yer problem Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

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Vova wrote:
ac78 wrote:
Hang in there! Sound like the situation I had with the brake caliper except I didn't break off the extractor, you one up'd me there but I guarantee I was just as frustrated. Were you using a corless drill or electric?

Do you have air tools? It might be worth checking prices on a small air compressor and air tool set vs taking it to someone. I picked one up this summer and I can't believe how long I did things by hand with so many hours of frustration with bumper, exhaust nuts etc... I do want to be clear I'm talking about the bolt going in reverse only on this particular part.

Can you take a pic so we can see your current situation?

I drilled a hole in the drain plug and inserted the extractor that broke off flush.
I have air tools and compressor but for what?
At this point the bolt is completely rounder so I think the only option is welding something to it to try to pull it out.


I just thought an air drill or hammer drill would give you more umpf! Sounds like your in a tight spot now. Amazon might be a quicker source for your gaskets.

Have an amazon link?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

If you rounded down to 19mm one of these might work?
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-insta...e%20socket
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

Tcash wrote:
If you rounded down to 19mm one of these might work?
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-insta...e%20socket

19mm? What size is a normal drain plug?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Stripped drain plug bolt head Reply with quote

IIRC it is 21mm
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