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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:43 pm Post subject: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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converted my 68 long axle to short axle. Does anyone have a picture of the assembly of bearing and seals? It seems a bit confusing to me because the old bearings that came out are a smaller diameter than the bearings that Rancho sent me. The larger bearings actually seem to be too big....as in width....bearing assembly cap does not mate flush when assembled but it will with the smaller diameter bearings. Should I just go with the smaller bearings or what? _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:44 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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If the new bearings are different in any way from what you took out of your long axle tubes, I would contact Rancho. All 60's swing axles used the same outer bearing at the wheel. The bearings sit in the end of the axle tube differently from the 68 long/long set up to the 66 short/short setup, so you will need the 66-earlier caps for your backing plates. A search for "axle seal" came up with this in the gallery.
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:03 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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If the new bearings are different in any way from what you took out of your long axle tubes, I would contact Rancho. All 60's swing axles used the same outer bearing at the wheel. The bearings sit in the end of the axle tube differently from the 68 long/long set up to the 66 short/short setup, so you will need the 66-earlier caps for your backing plates. A search for "axle seal" came up with this in the gallery.
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Thank you. I've got two sets of caps...early and late...shallow and deep seems to be the difference. I have new seal kits, just waiting on a weekend day when it isn't raining to put it all together. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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deadkombi Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2011 Posts: 112 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:37 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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Hi mate, I measured some bearings out of my short axle set up and they are 72mm diameter and 19mm wide/thick. All the best cheers. |
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neil68 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3440 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
converted my 68 long axle to short axle. Does anyone have a picture of the assembly of bearing and seals? It seems a bit confusing to me because the old bearings that came out are a smaller diameter than the bearings that Rancho sent me. The larger bearings actually seem to be too big....as in width....bearing assembly cap does not mate flush when assembled but it will with the smaller diameter bearings. Should I just go with the smaller bearings or what? |
When I changed my 68 long axles to short, I kept the same stock 68 bearings and used the short 66 bearing caps.
You mentioned that both width and diameter are larger on your Rancho bearings...doesn't sound like the correct replacements. _________________ Neil.
Der Kleiner Rennwagens
68 Beetle 2332 cc, 204 WHP
12.5 seconds @ 107 mph
Dynojet Test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9B_H3eklAo |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4858 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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ALL SWING AXLE AXLE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME, with the exeption of t-2 swings _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250 |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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mcmscott wrote: |
ALL SWING AXLE AXLE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME, with the exeption of t-2 swings |
No, they aren't. I'll take pictures of them side by side and post . At least mine weren't. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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neil68 wrote: |
fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
converted my 68 long axle to short axle. Does anyone have a picture of the assembly of bearing and seals? It seems a bit confusing to me because the old bearings that came out are a smaller diameter than the bearings that Rancho sent me. The larger bearings actually seem to be too big....as in width....bearing assembly cap does not mate flush when assembled but it will with the smaller diameter bearings. Should I just go with the smaller bearings or what? |
When I changed my 68 long axles to short, I kept the same stock 68 bearings and used the short 66 bearing caps.
You mentioned that both width and diameter are larger on your Rancho bearings...doesn't sound like the correct replacements. |
That's what I ended up doing. Thanks Neil. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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deadkombi wrote: |
Hi mate, I measured some bearings out of my short axle set up and they are 72mm diameter and 19mm wide/thick. All the best cheers. |
Thanks. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4858 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
ALL SWING AXLE AXLE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME, with the exeption of t-2 swings |
No, they aren't. I'll take pictures of them side by side and post . At least mine weren't. |
All s/a axle bearings area 6306#, early or late. Has always been this way. After 32 years of doing this and over 1000 t-1 boxes alone, I can assure you I am correct. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250 |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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A lot about this 68 is odd. The spindles were even different.....the hile where the steering arm goes in was actually smaller than normal also. _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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yes those 68's are apparently a lot different with the steering arms connected to the rear axles like that. I wood be lost too. I think rancho sent some irs bearings by mistake. but what I was wondering was.... it says swing alxe bearing cap-late style.....but...the parts list dosent list a "CAP"..... |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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mcmscott wrote: |
fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
ALL SWING AXLE AXLE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME, with the exeption of t-2 swings |
No, they aren't. I'll take pictures of them side by side and post . At least mine weren't. |
All s/a axle bearings area 6306#, early or late. Has always been this way. After 32 years of doing this and over 1000 t-1 boxes alone, I can assure you I am correct. |
Then why were mine different? Obviously different. The original ones that came out were 2/3 the size of the new ones. Not even close. Could the original trans have come out of a type 2?
I'll post pics tonight if I get a chance _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fes Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 999 Location: Prince Edward Island
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:03 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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The caps are definitely different from shot axles to long..here's the problem I ran into while doing the Rancho short axle swap in my Ghia..The caps numbers share the same numbers, however, one is suffixed with an A..The difference in depth is about 1/4"
You might also have to machine 5/8" off of the nose of your drums like I did..
From Samba gallery..
Here' my setup for my '68
_________________ '68 Campmobile-Pedro
'15 Golf-Stella Blau
'56 Oval-The Turd (for now) |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4863 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:53 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
mcmscott wrote: |
ALL SWING AXLE AXLE BEARINGS ARE THE SAME, with the exeption of t-2 swings |
No, they aren't. I'll take pictures of them side by side and post . At least mine weren't. |
All s/a axle bearings area 6306#, early or late. Has always been this way. After 32 years of doing this and over 1000 t-1 boxes alone, I can assure you I am correct. |
Then why were mine different? Obviously different. The original ones that came out were 2/3 the size of the new ones. Not even close. Could the original trans have come out of a type 2?
I'll post pics tonight if I get a chance |
What mcmscott, and I are referring to is your bearings shouldn't be different in any way. Either the previous owner installed the incorrect bearings in your 68, or Rancho made a simple error in sending you the incorrect bearing. Take some measurements of both bearings, and call Rancho to see if you can get it straightened out. |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:14 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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fes wrote: |
The caps are definitely different from shot axles to long..here's the problem I ran into while doing the Rancho short axle swap in my Ghia..The caps numbers share the same numbers, however, one is suffixed with an A..The difference in depth is about 1/4"
You might also have to machine 5/8" off of the nose of your drums like I did..
From Samba gallery..
Here' my setup for my '68
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And the cap on the left....deeper recess for the bearing is what ended up working, right? _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fes Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 999 Location: Prince Edward Island
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:14 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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Yes..perfectly
-Good luck _________________ '68 Campmobile-Pedro
'15 Golf-Stella Blau
'56 Oval-The Turd (for now) |
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fivelugshortaxle Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2011 Posts: 4254 Location: Aumsville, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:18 am Post subject: Re: 68 beetle axle bearing seal assembly |
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fes wrote: |
Yes..perfectly
-Good luck |
Thanks....this solved the mystery _________________ Good things come to those who wait.
2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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