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joel55bug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:00 am Post subject: '55 transition year debate? |
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I've already done a search on what I'm trying to figure out and found nothing, so I'll say sorry in advance if I've missed something somewhere. I know the '55 to be the transition year oval and there are all kinds of different things found on this cars such as the three different styles of taillight. My question is is there such a thing as a ribbed door/ non-semaphore car? |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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all 55's had ribbed doors as far as i know. _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
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rglsr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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1955 beetles had ribbed doors. Early-Mid 1955 USA spec cars had semaphores, smaller egg tail lights. Mid-Late 1955 USA spec cars had bullet turn signals, larger 1956-61 style tail lights, no semaphores. |
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*Darren Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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As previous poster noted no debate look at page 255 of Progressive Refinements 4-1-55 US spec cars got directionals. Door change didn't occur until August with the start of the 56 model year.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/progre...part_1.pdf.
I'm sure that there are some photos in the gallery of such a car. |
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Thanks for the replies guys, you learn something new everyday on these forums. You can always count on the samba and its members for good useful information. |
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*Darren Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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BulliBill searched for his car in the oval galllery
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BulliBill Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Yep! I own and still love that completely unrestored original paint Deluxe Sunroof Oval in the photos referred to above! Sweet old Beetle! It is the type of "transition" Oval Beetle the original poster is asking about, produced at Wolfsburg in mid-June of 1955. It is sitting under a cover down in my garage about 30 feet from me right now. I'm a very lucky guy!
By the way, that first photo is of me and "Martha" parked for a VWAG photo session in front of the 1938 VW main factory building at Wolfsburg, Germany in 1999 while driving "Martha" on the DKF "Return To The Fatherland" Tour (touring in nine American-owned pre-1957 VWs from Los Angeles all the way to Germany and then back). What an incredible adventure it was! The second shot is with "Martha" and my wife Kathryn just a few months ago along the Missouri River near St. Louis, MO.
Happy to add to the answers about this particular era of transition Oval... ask away!
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I have the same exact U.S. spec '55 bug as BulliBill, only without the sweet ragtop
Being that these are 8 month only cars (Jan-Aug), I was under the assumption that ALL U.S. spec '55's had bullets and snowflakes and that none of the U.S. spec 55's had semaphores.
This is the first in all of the discussions I have read about '55's that I have heard of "early and late" U.S. spec cars. I thought the only change for the semaphore '55's was going from hearts to eggs. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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joel55bug wrote: |
My question is is there such a thing as a ribbed door/ non-semaphore car? |
Too clearly answer the original question, yes they did make ribbed door cars with non-semaphore.
These late 55 model year cars have bullet front turn signals and snowflake rear indicators. This combo was commonly available in North American in May,June, and July of 55 (maybe late April 55 also,not sure). I believe this combo is actually more common than semaphores in North America as 55 model year only lasted 7 months and 1955 was the year that American distribution really ramped up. By the end of 1955 Americans were buying a lot more VWs than the beginning of the year, that's why these changes were introduced _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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All great information, thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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March of '55 remained old school... love early '55s the best with egg tail lights, ribbed doors and semaphores... sure was lucky to find it, earlier this year... zero rust, never hit.
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3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
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joel55bug Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
March of '55 remained old school... love early '55s the best with egg tail lights, ribbed doors and semaphores... sure was lucky to find it, earlier this year... zero rust, never hit.
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I completely agree with you, I currently own 3 early cars (12/51 Standard, 10/52 Zwitter and a '54 ragtop) all unique in their own way and I think a US Spec eggshell taillights '55 would be a great addition. |
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Wiggy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Ultramoron wrote: |
joel55bug wrote: |
My question is is there such a thing as a ribbed door/ non-semaphore car? |
Too clearly answer the original question, yes they did make ribbed door cars with non-semaphore.
These late 55 model year cars have bullet front turn signals and snowflake rear indicators. This combo was commonly available in North American in May,June, and July of 55 (maybe late April 55 also,not sure). I believe this combo is actually more common than semaphores in North America as 55 model year only lasted 7 months and 1955 was the year that American distribution really ramped up. By the end of 1955 Americans were buying a lot more VWs than the beginning of the year, that's why these changes were introduced |
Bullets were available as an option in april 55 for US, Canada and Guam. _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
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*Darren Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Wiggy wrote: |
Bullets were available as an option in april 55 for US, Canada and Guam. |
So does anybody a have documented U.S. bound post 4-1-55 bug with semaphores? I'm curious whether this option was really an option. oh let's go even further anybody have a known European bound car with bullets? Some strange &^#! Often went on. |
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Wiggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Yes. I had an April 14 built car delievered to Philadelphia that had semaphores and also has US overriders which was also an option. _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
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Wiggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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*Darren wrote: |
Wiggy wrote: |
Bullets were available as an option in april 55 for US, Canada and Guam. |
So does anybody a have documented U.S. bound post 4-1-55 bug with semaphores? I'm curious whether this option was really an option. oh let's go even further anybody have a known European bound car with bullets? Some strange &^#! Often went on. |
European cars never had bullets as far as I know. _________________ Kevin "Wiggy"
My 58 Ghia Vert
My 51 Split 11G
My 57 Deluxe
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Wiggy Samba Member
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h~moto Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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What is PR saying for 3 May 55?
"without bulbs"?
"with bulbs"? |
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56Cabrio Samba Member
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*Darren Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Wiggy got that part as I had posted a link to pr. But I'm just curious IF the U.S. option really was an option (or really all U.S. bound got them) and if it was a U.S. option could a customer in Europe have requested. I recognize would have been obscure, but you know how VW was at the time. Kind of like standards not coming to the US. I recognize the likelihood of an answer is about 0.
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