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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:33 am Post subject: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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My wife and I recently drove most of the length of California on I-5. Twice along the way on sections of highway that had three lanes in each direction someone turned from the far left "fast" lane into the far right exit lane thereby crossing multiple lanes of traffic in not much more than a second. The turns were executed so late that the exit lanes had already separated from the travel lanes by thirty feet or more so the vehicles had to cross the typically debris strewn "V" shaped apron as well as the traffic lanes.
Are these people participating in some kind of a contest to see how ridiculous their driving can be, maybe getting points for how close they come to causing multi car accidents or are they just texting as they go down the road and are oblivious to where they are at at any moment? |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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don't worry the cars are becoming smarter than the drivers.. and why should they pay attention, the car is monitoring the other traffic right?
fear the next group of new drivers.. _________________
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jakokombi Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 779 Location: Milwaukee
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Jakokombi |
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Here in Wisconsin I'm amazed at the people who will risk life and limb to avoid
going around the block.
I used to dread the thought of self driving cars, now I think they can't come soon enough. _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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No points. Normal behavior.
Geez... I-5? You must have been pressed for time. |
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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This is why I hate GPS. People blindly follow it now with no real idea where it is taking them, then when it tells them to do something the late reactions, or other distraction causes them to act before thinking, or in regards to the road; making the quick trip across all lanes of traffic, or what I see even more often is slowing waaaaay down in the left lane and trying to frogger their way over to the exit amongst all the cars at speed.
No idea what the highway was like where you were, but if people still knew the areas they were being led, they could make better use of knowing to go up an exit and come back or using another route from the next exit to get back on course, not making rash decisions after it's essential too late.
Even with all the new safety and technology in cars today, and even for the majority of people not necessarily driving distracted, I still think it's making people dumber to their environment to the point that self driving cars look like a good idea. Or perhaps we have reach an apex to whom or what the right definition of 'the driver' is. _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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I don't agree that GPS is the problem. GPS gives you plenty of warning about upcoming changes. It repeats the upcoming turn numerous times, and does it multiple ways (verbally, graphically and in text on the display). A driver that misses all those cues is clearly distracted. Driver distraction is the real problem IMO, and it seems that only self-driving cars will solve that problem. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12727 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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This is definitely not a California-only problem. They give have wider freeways than most. I-5 is a huge commuter AND tourist freeway; it's a deadly mix when you get the commuters that know the traffic flow and lane layouts mixing with the family of seven in the SUV late for their Disneyland hotel check in. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
I don't agree that GPS is the problem. GPS gives you plenty of warning about upcoming changes. It repeats the upcoming turn numerous times, and does it multiple ways (verbally, graphically and in text on the display). A driver that misses all those cues is clearly distracted. Driver distraction is the real problem IMO, and it seems that only self-driving cars will solve that problem. |
That's Bullshit.... I just told an uber driver last week about where to go because his provided unit, while telling him the route, was not scaled out far enough, yet he never touched it after it came up with my route home. This was one interstate onto another in metro Atlanta. He wasn't distracted, he was sheepishly following it just fine. It was late pointing out the exit, onscreen and verbally. Had I not told him twice he needed to start making his way over it would have put us into one of the above situations.
Aaaaannnnnndd.... had he missed the exit due to his negligence of proper use of his equipment, I would be the one paying the added time/distance on the fare. I find it interesting when either there is traffic or it's taking me via a route I know will take longer/light/left turns on two lane road, etc, that the drivers really seem to get uncomfortable going against the guidance, this is within the city area, not some back road.
Maybe my natural sense of direction since I was little, complimented by my airline career gives me a different perspective. Its not a control issue, I just feel when you are getting into a vehicle, even as a passenger, you should have some semblance of both where you are and where you are going. The technology should not you prevent you from getting unlost in its absence.
We have put so much reliance on the technology that it is creating a whole different kind of distraction as a byproduct of its use. The software (and hardware) is only as good as the user, not the other way around _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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asiab3 wrote: |
This is definitely not a California-only problem. They give have wider freeways than most. I-5 is a huge commuter AND tourist freeway; it's a deadly mix when you get the commuters that know the traffic flow and lane layouts mixing with the family of seven in the SUV late for their Disneyland hotel check in. |
& let's add the genius idea of lane splitting for motorcycles. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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nothing about distraction or anything.
its all about time.
fast lane as loing as possible, then cut the slow guy for your exit as late as possible.
its like that everywhere.
people are in a hurry, and don't care about others safety or time, they just want to "beat the traffic" _________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50351
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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Wasted youth wrote: |
Geez... I-5? You must have been pressed for time. |
Overnight lows in the single digits in Nevada and to a lesser extend the potential of heavy snow in the passes led to the decision to stay to the west of the mountains. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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Not all GPS units give enough warning. The verbal warnings on my Benz come far too late to prepare for the maneuver. I turn on the second screen that gives me a mileage countdown to the next turn so I know it is coming. The "bitch in the box" is a day late and a dollar short.
The problem is on L.A. freeways that have 6-7 lanes. Getting over for a junction requires a mile or more in high speed traffic. The GPS only gives about a quarter mile, and that makes for too little warning for those multiple lane changes!
But then, if everyone is staring at their GPS screens, they will have other accidents! |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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aerosurfer wrote: |
79SuperVert wrote: |
I don't agree that GPS is the problem. GPS gives you plenty of warning about upcoming changes. It repeats the upcoming turn numerous times, and does it multiple ways (verbally, graphically and in text on the display). A driver that misses all those cues is clearly distracted. Driver distraction is the real problem IMO, and it seems that only self-driving cars will solve that problem. |
That's Bullshit.... I just told an uber driver last week about where to go because his provided unit, while telling him the route, was not scaled out far enough, yet he never touched it after it came up with my route home. This was one interstate onto another in metro Atlanta. He wasn't distracted, he was sheepishly following it just fine. It was late pointing out the exit, onscreen and verbally. Had I not told him twice he needed to start making his way over it would have put us into one of the above situations.
Aaaaannnnnndd.... had he missed the exit due to his negligence of proper use of his equipment, I would be the one paying the added time/distance on the fare. I find it interesting when either there is traffic or it's taking me via a route I know will take longer/light/left turns on two lane road, etc, that the drivers really seem to get uncomfortable going against the guidance, this is within the city area, not some back road.
Maybe my natural sense of direction since I was little, complimented by my airline career gives me a different perspective. Its not a control issue, I just feel when you are getting into a vehicle, even as a passenger, you should have some semblance of both where you are and where you are going. The technology should not you prevent you from getting unlost in its absence.
We have put so much reliance on the technology that it is creating a whole different kind of distraction as a byproduct of its use. The software (and hardware) is only as good as the user, not the other way around |
I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit, looking at your avatar one might get the impression you are first officer or left seat capt in which case you depend more on technology and automation that most. You don't trust instruments? You don't use the flight computer? How about cat 3 landing? Most every plane I've ever looked at had wear marks were pilots rest their feet as they sleep while the plane flies itself. I installed TCAS years ago so you could sleep better. |
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2002 Posts: 4070 Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
I don't agree that GPS is the problem. GPS gives you plenty of warning about upcoming changes. It repeats the upcoming turn numerous times, and does it multiple ways (verbally, graphically and in text on the display). A driver that misses all those cues is clearly distracted. Driver distraction is the real problem IMO, and it seems that only self-driving cars will solve that problem. |
Agree 100% on the first part. But, until ALL cars on the road are SD, SD cars + idiots + distracted drivers=chaos, death and destruction on the road.
Enkiel wrote: |
"] nothing about distraction or anything. |
Disagree. I’ve seen folks drive for miles with the blinker on. If I see it in their mirror, they don’t?
Enkiel wrote: |
its all about time. fast lane as long as possible, then cut the slow guy for your exit as late as possible. |
There’s a point I pass on my daily commute where I-AA merges with I-BB. The ramp that allows I-BB North to merge onto I-AA East, is combined with the ramp from I-AA East to I-BB North. It’s about ½ mile long. (Visualize >-------------< ) I see folks dash across 4 lanes of I-AA East to get on I-BB North at the last possible second. Sometimes, they almost stop, waiting for a chance to cross 4 lanes within about 10 yards. :2gunfire:
I see folks get on the expressway (where most are doing 70+) and dive for the left lane, before they get their speed up to 50. Now everyone is on their brakes, trying not to hit bozo. :2gunfire:
Enkiel wrote: |
people are in a hurry, and don't care about others safety or time, they just want to "beat the traffic" |
Most of I-AA East is 3 lanes. At a certain cross-roads, 2 lanes come in, making I-AA East 5 lanes. (1 lanes becomes an “exit only” after about 2 miles, leaving 4 lanes.) Folks get on and make a mad dash for the left lane, ignoring the 2 wide open lanes ahead of them. Meanwhile, some of the folks already on I-AA East are trying to move to the right, because there are 2 open lanes.
And the ultimate idiot: “Oh my, I’m following/approaching the vehicle ahead of me too closely/quickly. Let me move to the left AND SLOW DOWN.”
Bottom Line:
aerosurfer wrote: |
when you are getting into a vehicle, even as a passenger, you should have some semblance of both where you are and where you are going. |
I’ll add; and be aware of what’s going on around you.
Most drivers have/are none of the above.
Rant over.
Thank you. I feel better now. _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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bigdog1962 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2010 Posts: 1586 Location: Augusta, Georgia
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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All GPS apps are not the same. The one that came with my Avalanche isn't very good and you have to buy a disc every so often to update it.
Google maps seems to be pretty good and gives a decent warning.
So far as driving, that's one reason I love living where I do. It takes you about 15 minutes to go wherever it is you're going.
I would never, ever live in Atlanta. I go through there enough to have chest pain whenever I think about it. Dangerous drivers going 85 in a 55 is the norm. _________________ Oprn wrote: I'm getting to the age that any self propelled woman (no wheel chair or walker) looks HOT!! Oooo! look at that Babe! She made it from the dining room all the way to the TV room without help!! Hubba, hubba!! |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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I stand corrected. I was speaking from personal experience with GPS units from Garmin and Tom Tom, and GPS apps on my wife's and daughters' cell phones. All of them do what I described in terms of giving plenty of warnings and multiple ways of telling the driver what is coming up. As long as we are paying attention to the unit and not talking or doing something else, we have usually had very good results with our units. They often point out quicker ways to get to our destinations than we knew about, and they also warn us of traffic tie ups and alternate routes. I sometimes like to set mine to "no highways" so it will take me along back roads that I've never been on before.
I'm very surprised that other people have had such poor experiences with GPS. I really thought the technology and implementation was much more advanced than it seems to be based on these comments. It also doesn't speak well at all for self - driving cars which are using GPS apps.
BTW, I saw an interesting bumper sticker the other day: "I'm an idiot driver." Might as well save the other guy the trouble of reaching that conclusion on his own! _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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Didga ever wonder why GPS is not pinpoint accurate? |
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scottyrocks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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Air-Cooled Head wrote: |
I see folks get on the expressway (where most are doing 70+) and dive for the left lane, before they get their speed up to 50. Now everyone is on their brakes, trying not to hit bozo. :2gunfire: |
I didn't realize there were that many Prius drivers there. |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
BTW, I saw an interesting bumper sticker the other day: "I'm an idiot driver." Might as well save the other guy the trouble of reaching that conclusion on his own! |
this could be on almost every vehicle out there nowadays _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Earning points for Road Rage, is this the new norm for Calf? |
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Well didga? |
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