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electronictofu
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Nice, those look good. Also the ones above. I am cool with something basic and inexpensive. Im broke at this point  ha. Do you have any extras Aaron? |
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WideFive
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Sorry, don't have any extras. I just weld the tabs on.
I don't have any experience with them but the ones Greg pointed out are more readily available and he sells them as well. ...and they are billit aluminum, can't ever have enough of that stuff 
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brettsvw
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| As a side note, I took 2 of the 15x4 smoothies in to have them widened to 5" and I also had them change the offset by -3/8". He said that was pushing the limit. Thoughts on that? |
Why waste time and resources on beetle wheels? Get some bus wheels to modify, or buy aftermarket wheels that are already wide, and are brand new. You can buy new wheels for $100 each, or less. You can buy bus wheels for less than half that, have them powdercoated and be on your way.
Get rid of the beetle wheels and tires. Get some bus wheels and some smaller tires on your bus. Front could be 185/50R15 and rear could be 195/50R15. Then you get to drive your bus. |
Ahhhh, if it were only so pure and easy. First, I can't really run bus wheels up front, from what I understand, because I installed the Airkewld disc conversion kit. Second, I like the look of smoothies (I know, blasphemy). Third, I didn't see any aftermarket wheels I liked, plus I want whitewalls which don't really go with alloys. 4th, it's hard to find a nice, proper bus rim for $50. Anyway, too late now, I'm sinking another $170 into the bug rims. If it doesn't work out you might see them for sale here on The Samba soon. 15"x5" smoothies with a -3/8" offset, we'll see. |
If that is the look you are after, then that is the way you should go. But if you installed Airkewled bus brakes, they should fit bus 15" wheels.
Also, you likely won't find a whitewall tire in a small enough profile to fit the front of your lowered bus. |
On that bit...has anyone tried to install portawall whitewalls on 50 series tires?
Gordo. |
There is a thread in readers rides about pics with widened bug smoothies.
I like the way widened smoothies look if the offset is changed.
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It's been a while since I've done any lowering of a bus. I'm running a narrowed rear torsion and have a drum, end casting and brakes question.
Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout?
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joe56vw
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It's been a while since I've done any lowering of a bus. I'm running a narrowed rear torsion and have a drum, end casting and brakes question.
Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout? |
why do you want to run a short end casting?
the only long axle/short casting I know of is a '67 bug tube but not sure if it will work with the long spline
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WideFive
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| Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout? |
Nope, you narrowed the torsion housing for some unknown and probably unnecessary reason, so you're stuck running short axles and short splines. Unless SAW or Crown made a short axle with long splines, but I've never seen one.
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mr. warehouse
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| Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout? |
Nope, you narrowed the torsion housing for some unknown and probably unnecessary reason, so you're stuck running short axles and short splines. Unless SAW or Crown made a short axle with long splines, but I've never seen one.
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DubStyle
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| Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout? |
Nope, you narrowed the torsion housing for some unknown and probably unnecessary reason, so you're stuck running short axles and short splines. Unless SAW or Crown made a short axle with long splines, but I've never seen one.
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A simple NO would have done Aaron. 
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DubStyle
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why do you want to run a short end casting?
the only long axle/short casting I know of is a '67 bug tube but not sure if it will work with the long spline |
I was told the same thing about the 67 axle set-up. I'm looking at options to get a wider tire in the wheel well without letting the air out or using a jack to get it in. 
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WideFive
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| I'm looking at options to get a wider tire in the wheel well without letting the air out or using a jack to get it in. |
In my eyes there is no justifiable reason to hack a Bus. That shit is for mini truckers
It's your Bus for now though, so make it yours.
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DubStyle
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Up yours you SH purist! LMAO I'm good and can take the criticism. I am 43, which put me in the mini trucker era.
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| I am 43, which put me in the mini trucker era. |
I'm right behind you at 42. Never bought into that scene. I'm still hoping for parachute pants to make a come back though 
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| I'm still hoping for parachute pants to make a come back though |
Those were so bad ass! Pockets and zippers and material that was soft. LOL
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why do you want to run a short end casting?
the only long axle/short casting I know of is a '67 bug tube but not sure if it will work with the long spline |
I was told the same thing about the 67 axle set-up. I'm looking at options to get a wider tire in the wheel well without letting the air out or using a jack to get it in. |
With a narrowed housing you can fit a 8" 0 offset rim in the back with short axle short spline. Add adjustable plates and your wont need a jack or anything to get the wheel on.
I just built a custom IRS set up to run 8" -6 offset rims in the rear. No rubbing. No letting the air out. No wiggling. Just put it right up in there.
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joe56vw
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| Is there a short end casting and long spline axle combo that allows you to run type 3 wide five drums without machining the snout? |
Nope, you narrowed the torsion housing for some unknown and probably unnecessary reason, so you're stuck running short axles and short splines. Unless SAW or Crown made a short axle with long splines, but I've never seen one.
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huh? I had a 3" narrowed torsion housing on my '56 with completely stock '68 bug tranny(long axles/long spline) brakes to brakes with machined early bus drums and it fit perfectly
stock bug axle tubes all bolt to the same width housings the differences in them are from where the springplate bolts on out
which means on a 3" narrow bus housing you can do short axle/short splines, long axle/ short splines, or long axles/long splines
it's the offset of wheels and/or thickness of brake drums that is the real factor
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DubStyle
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Trust me the tire isn't going in on it's own. LOL Yes with short splines and short end casting, you can fit anything. I have a long/long in there. What I was trying to do is not waste money on new brake hardware. I already have new drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. I'm going to try a couple things and if they don't work out, I'll find short/short set-up and cut the drum snout.
Once the tires in, there will be a 1" gap between it and inner lip. If I had stock wheels, it would already be done. LOL I had to go with aftermarket wheels. 
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WideFive
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| I had a 3" narrowed torsion housing on my '56 with completely stock '68 bug tranny(long axles/long spline) brakes to brakes with machined early bus drums and it fit perfectly |
He asked for short end casting setup and I kept that as a requirement in my reply and to try and keep people from doing that narrowing bullshit
Yes, you can totally negate the torsion narrowing by bolting in a long axle setup. You can also bolt short axles to a Bus without having to narrow the torsion. Lots of options. What ever tire rim combo you get in your head that you just have to have, will determine suspension and more importantly the brake setup.
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Yes it's all relevant to the tire & wheel combination and brakes. Also parts availability play a huge roll into what you do or don't do.
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With a narrowed housing you can fit a 8" 0 offset rim in the back with short axle short spline. Add adjustable plates and your wont need a jack or anything to get the wheel on.
I just built a custom IRS set up to run 8" -6 offset rims in the rear. No rubbing. No letting the air out. No wiggling. Just put it right up in there. |
Narrowed AND IRS?
I am running the same setup and love it.
Looks funny with stock wheels but with aftermarket wheels looks great.
This setup is perfect if someone ends up doing air ride on it in the future.
My next (and hopefully last) bus will just be SAK though so maybe I can just build it and enjoy it.
Also I figure Aaron will give me a hell of a deal on parts just so I dont use IRS again.
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With a narrowed housing you can fit a 8" 0 offset rim in the back with short axle short spline. Add adjustable plates and your wont need a jack or anything to get the wheel on.
I just built a custom IRS set up to run 8" -6 offset rims in the rear. No rubbing. No letting the air out. No wiggling. Just put it right up in there. |
Narrowed AND IRS?
I am running the same setup and love it.
Looks funny with stock wheels but with aftermarket wheels looks great.
This setup is perfect if someone ends up doing air ride on it in the future.
My next (and hopefully last) bus will just be SAK though so maybe I can just build it and enjoy it.
Also I figure Aaron will give me a hell of a deal on parts just so I dont use IRS again.
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Except I narrowed my housing and my trailing arms. Super narrow. I don't think I will ever do a SAK again because I ate my fulcrum plates. I love wide wheels on the rear and they just don't do well slammed. That was my reason to do an IRS instead.
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