'Original' 1952 coming up for auction

[GArBa]

IMHO If I had that amount of money, I'd buy either something nicely restored or a genuine time capsule car. this one is a bit meh for me. the re-stamped VIN alone, even if it is the original number, compromises the originality. the bumper is no biggie, true, but I've seen cars pulled straight with a chain, a slope and a tree passing inspections with flying colors, so I find hard to believe that a properly done front collision repair would have been noticed during the italian DMV inspection; and even if it was indeed noticed, a properly done repair would not compromise the registration - sure, but it compromises originality and thus the asking price.

just my 2 cents.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[62ItalianRagtop]

[GArBa]

Never heard about it too, but if you read the Hemmings classified link posted before, the text speaks about the libretto addressing the fact the car is registered and roadworthy, from this I read "libretto" as "carta di circolazione" and not user's manual. Moreover, in an english text they would not have used the term "libretto" but rather simply written "italian user's manual" if it was the case.

It is entirely possible the car had VIN issues and somehow ended up being registered in Italy, maybe through an agency.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[62ItalianRagtop]

mmm ok ... grazie
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LOOKING FOR 62 ENGINE WITH NUMBER FROM 6.904.xxx TO 6.915.xxx
http://tettodistraccio.blogspot.com/

[johnshenry]

What always gets me about these high dollar splits (and even ovals) being auctioned by these big multi-marque auction houses and/or publications, is how poorly the descriptions are written. Lack of details, etc. Do they really think that an educated vintage VW nut who might drool for these is going to overlook the obvious lack of details in the ad? Even if the seller was not privy to the important details (and I know the auction houses are not), wouldn't it be in their best interest to seek out a seasoned vintage VW nut, maybe buy them a plane ticket, or at least tons of pics and phone consult before they list a car "expected" to sell in the $80k range?

I dunno, maybe they want to lure in the "more money than brains" types. They seem to be everywhere....
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John Henry

'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab

[favguy]

Johnshenry,

The last thing they probably want is interest from well versed VW enthusiasts. After all they're more likely to bid a sensible price based on the real current market value of what appears to be a pretty beat up, mainly original car! The only objective of the auction house is to maximise profit for the seller and themselves, they care not for the hardcore following.

Getting national press exposure with silly estimates will bring the rich guys with more money than sense out looking for the next "cool" toy and lock that estimate in their noodles. If it does sell to this type of owner, it'll probably be bad for the cars future preservation

[Martin Southwell]

Translation for above: Noodle is an old fashioned UK slang word for 'Head'!

[favguy]

haha! Thanks for that Martin, must be showing my age

[wcfvw69]

[allsidius]

[GArBa]

that's because they are trying to sell it to people who use to think any car should have at least 12 cylinders and a couple of prancing horses in on its sides.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[RichOakley]

Anybody at the auction today?
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1947 Beetle
1956 RHD Karmann Cabrio
1956 RHD Beetle
1957 RHD Pitt-Moto Type 2 Camper
1959 RHD Beetle
1966 RHD Type 3 Fastback
1976 RHD Sun Beetle

[Kjell Roar]

Sold for 52.000 Euro, they says:
https://www.facebook.com/252969427166/photos/a.424...mp;theater
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I got a historic car, every scratch got a history...

My car, Aug. 4th, 1955 / an early 56: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=610438

[project_therapy]

Fair price for this car?

[RichOakley]

[tisius]

[johan81]

On the auctions page it says 58240€
I can sell my for that price to
I can give you a small discount even
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52 bug
55 bug
58 bug
64 beach buggy

[johan81]

Original ones goes for more money than restored ones now days

[Martin Southwell]

Can somebody explain to me, why a beautiful restored car, like the one above, should be worth so much less than the one sold at auction. It's not as if we are comparing like for like condition wise. I could understand more if the two were in the same condition, and the unrestored one was worth more, but that isn't the case here.

[Wiggy]

Because a restored car never feels the same as on original one. I have both and far more enjoy driving the original ones. With an OG car you know what you have , restored cars, who knows. Plus there is just something cool about something that has survived so well.


I'm only after originals anymore.
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Kevin "Wiggy"

My 58 Ghia Vert

My 51 Split 11G

My 57 Deluxe

My 56 Oval