Found in Russia (oldest WW2 KdF)

[antonb]

Latest photos of Typ82E

5 years ago.

Parting
After all very rich people whimsical and unpredictable, well and other epithets but to their censored and passed already chagrin on this person though his act still is surprising. Then at it still the museum wasn't, were only under construction, and there was a huge private collection of ill-matched cars, the main direction Americans of 50-60 years, and so dragged everything that will be pleasant. A garage to itself transported Gonovsky's half, well who was in Zelenogorsk or Vyborg (the museum existed year and he from was expelled there), could see all this magnificence. And so roofing felts on terms I didn't keep within whether still that but he decided the money to demand back, all the sum, a pier the car isn't necessary any more (ordered two and then refused one, now and the second isn't necessary). To me then to kick up, a pier work is performed, though not up to the end but on a big half, well there is no pancake, money so money. Especially the person with communications, goodness knows that at him in the head, health and a good name are more expensive. And where to take them? Moreover almost before new year. Suggested it to take away for debts KDF, a pier the car rare, in Russia only, you will restore (with its that opportunities) there will be a gem of the collection especially as there ill-matched Volkswagens already was under ten. But he was relentless, it was necessary to look for options. The only thing at that time was valuable for sale from movable it IT. But besides to whom? Only who showed interest in it there was a Guy from Ryazan (city 150 km from Moscow), week having bargained agreed that I will bring the car to Ryazan and there I will receive the desirable. It is told made, so KDF forever moved to Ryazan. But it still the end, was still an episode with documents. Summer, Autoexotic show in Moscow, the second days off, Andrey arrived on Hammer to Moscow well and I kept it the company. Stopped by in Tushino walk across the field and on a way back, passing on Trade-union Andrey issues the phrase, "And the owner of KDF where that was registered here, let's come around". And here so on a sphere, we find the necessary address, we ring the on-door speakerphone and we are confused will explain who we are and that we. We were let, at doors of the apartment the owner, already elderly person but the most important met RESPONSIBLE. Our story very much touched it, he told as owned this car that when bought it that by it still there were "crosses" on boards, and in interior of radio (or the radio set, I didn't understand, but it from it was stolen then) as he sawed off rear a partition at "Bretzel" what the review would be better, well and so on. As a result it gave the honest power of attorney, the car was struck off the register in Moscow and registered in Ryazan with numbers "041" (if memory doesn't change me). That now with this car neither who except Andrey knows, nor who saw it since then, and even he doesn't show it to me, motivating "I will make, I will give a ride". Here such history of one car.

PS: Since then nobody saw this car. The owner says that he has her, but shows nobody....

At me numbers of a body and the motor haven't remained if Andrey gives that it is possible to punch in Germany through friends her history. On "legend" by it there went Gaulyayter of East Prussia Erich Koch, but as far as it is the truth...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/registry/registry.htm

he supervised the KDF project, and the Field marshal Ervin Rommel became the first German general using "kubel" as the command car. And once he even personally thanked the creator of so successful SUV Ferdinand Porsche: "You saved to me life. Your car by which I went in Africa remained is whole during traverse of the minefield. While the heavy Horch following me blew up".

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VW Käfer (Vocho), First registration date in Deutschland: 14/09/1984, Engine 1200.
(Hecho en México)

[Martin Southwell]

It's my guess that this has been translated from Russian into English, by Google Translate. I use this sevice myself sometimes to translate various languages, and end up with same kind of 'gobbledygook'. It's a shame because I'm sure there is an interesting story behind it all.

[antonb]

[GArBa]

I'm sorry anton, as I told you already in the other topic is very difficult to read your automatically translated posts. This last one is rather incomprehensible to me, and I agree with martin's comment above it's a shame because I'm sure this info is something new to the international VW community.

edit: from the other topic, you seem to know Italian; if it is the case you can write it in italian and I can translate it to English.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[antonb]

[GArBa]

please, don't. I think most people here are sincerely interested in your posts. at least I am. we just need to find a way to make them readable.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[mandraks]

there might be somebody on here who speaks both russian and english who can translate?

i do that for german texts where applicable.

Maybe you can just post both, Russian and google translate?
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regards

Uli

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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel

[DDub]

[hopkin]

antonb:

Agreed with other, please do not delete and continue posting. This is a fascinating part of VW history that I haven't see documented before.

Cheers!
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1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car)

[redxxrdr]

Please do not delete.
Your posts are valuable.
History is often told from one point of view.
Your posts provide another, for many of us.
Thank you.
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Grandaddys 61 vert, 65 single cab.
Both waiting for retirement repair.

[KDF 37]

[EverettB]

[Patty B.]

Please keep posting--even as is! It is all very interesting!
There is also a lot of english speaker english that is difficult to understand around the site

[antonb]

Okay, thanks to all for your support!

Lets see next story:

RU-ORIGINAL:
Привет всем!
Сегодня покажу фотографии трофейной техники Русской красной армии 1941-1945 года.
Автомобильные трофеи
Любая война, как массовое убийство ни в чем не повинных людей для удовлетворения чьих?то частных интересов – есть несомненное и неминуемое зло. Вторая мировая, явившая миру невиданную доселе жестокость и национальные масштабы истребления людей, бесспорно, может считаться самым главным злом цивилизации ХХ века. Однако история не знает сослагательного наклонения, и тот огромный след, оставленный этой войной, как в истории нашей страны, так и вообще в мировой истории, даже спустя годы невозможно как?то изменить, заретушировать или свести «на нет». Хотим мы этого или нет – но это было, и было именно так, а не иначе. Сейчас этот огромный и глубокий след и его влияние на все дальнейшее развитие страны можно лишь пытаться проанализировать с большей или меньшей степенью точности. Какие?то аспекты этого влияния сразу же стали в СССР предметом изучения и статистики и поэтому достаточно известны, а какие?то по разным причинам остались в тени. Так вышло и с автомобильной и прочей трофейной техникой, по праву доставшейся нашей стороне за время войны в изрядном количестве.

Немалым источником поступления грузовых, легковых и специальных автомобилей в период Великой Отечественной войны были трофеи, захваченные Красной Армией в результате боевых действий. Автомобильная техника в данном случае была весьма и весьма разнообразной. Кроме моделей, выпущенных в самой Германии, попадались машины и из других стран Европы, уже захваченных к тому времени вермахтом.

Трофейные машины… Их не закупали и не приобретали – их захватывали или чаще просто подбирали. Где бы они ни попадались, они неизбежно представляли собой неотъемлемую часть фронтового пейзажа. Почти целые или сгоревшие, разбитые вдрызг, они теснились на обочинах дорог, ржавели на полях и в перелесках. Грязно-серые, песочно-желтые или в разноцветных пятнах камуфляжа, они застыли в нелепых позах, словно низвергнутые с высоты на землю силой огромного и повсеместного урагана.

В ходе наступательных операций Красной Армии вермахт и другие военные формирования фашистской Германии потеряли несметное множество автомобильной техники. Ощутимые потери в автомобилях немецко-фашистская армия понесла уже в самые первые месяцы войны: в июле – под Ельней, в августе – под Днепропетровском, в ноябре – в районе Ростова и во многих других местах. Уже в декабре 1941 г. на Московском автозаводе была отремонтирована крупная партия немецких дизельных автомобилей, захваченных во время битвы за столицу. После ремонта они были тут же отправлены на фронт.
По данным германского верховного командования (надо полагать неполным), за период с 22 июня по 31 декабря 1941 года немецкие войска потеряли на Восточном фронте 35 159 грузовиков, 24 849 легковых машин, 2469 тягачей. Только в битве под Москвой за период с середины ноября по 31 декабря 1941 г. Красная Армия захватила у противника 15 049 автомобилей.

Огромные трофеи достались Красной Армии в результате победы на берегах Волги. Всего в ходе окружения и ликвидации Сталинградской группировки противника войсками Донского фронта было захвачено 80 438 автомобилей и 571 тягач. Корреспондент «Красной звезды», побывавший в районе к западу от Сталинграда, писал в те дни:

«У немцев там остались тысячи грузовиков, легковых машин, большей частью сваленных в овраги, так как у них уже не было ни времени, ни средств их уничтожить… Около 70 процентов этих грузовиков еще можно отремонтировать и вновь пустить в дело».

В нашей стране после Победы осталось довольно большое количество «КдФ-82». Постепенно из армии они переходили в народное хозяйство, а заканчивали свою службу обычно в частном владении, по причине чего многие сохранились до наших дней.

KдФ-82 использовались после войны в сельском хозяйстве и армии где-то до 50-60 годов, а после машины утилизировались, либо их выкупали частные владельцы. Кстати, многие двигатели снимали с машин и отправляли в Сибирь на лесопилку, где двигатели до сих пор можно найти, проработав без особого ремонта почти 70 лет!

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G-TRANSLATED:

Hello everybody!

Any war, as the mass killing of innocent people to satisfy one's private interests - there is no doubt inevitable evil. World War II, incarnate world hitherto unprecedented cruelty and national scale extermination of people, no doubt, can be considered the most important evil civilization of the twentieth century. However, history does not know the subjunctive mood, and the huge trail left by this war, as in the history of our country and even in the history of the world, even years later, can not be both? The change, retouch or reduced "to zero." Whether we like it or not - but it was, and it was just so and not otherwise. Now this huge and deep impression and impact on all further development of the country can only try to analyze to a greater or lesser degree of accuracy. What? What aspects of this effect immediately became the subject of study in the Soviet Union, and statistics, and therefore are well known, and what? Then for various reasons it has remained in the shadows. It happened with the automotive and other technology trophy rightfully inherited by our side during the war in a fair amount.

No small source of revenue freight, passenger and special cars during the Great Patriotic War were trophies captured by the Red Army in the fighting. Automotive electronics in this case was very, very diverse. In addition to the models that were released in Germany, across the machine and from other European countries, already captured by the time the Wehrmacht.

Trophy car ... They are not bought or acquired - they have captured or more likely just picked up. Wherever they come across, they inevitably constitute an integral part of the front of the landscape. Nearly the whole or burnt, broken three sheets, they huddled by the roadside, rusting in the fields and copses. Dirty-gray, sandy-yellow or multicolored spots of camouflage, they were frozen in grotesque poses, as if overthrown on the ground from a height of a huge force and widespread hurricane.

During offensive operations of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht other military forces of Nazi Germany lost the myriad of automotive engineering. Tangible losses in cars fascist German army had already in the very first months of the war in July - Yelnia in August - at the Dnepropetrovsk, in November - in the Rostov region and in many other places. Already in December 1941 at the Moscow car factory has been renovated large party of German diesel vehicles captured during the battle for the capital. After repairs were immediately sent to the front.
According to the German High Command (probably incomplete) for the period from 22 June to 31 December 1941 the German army on the Eastern Front lost 35,159 trucks, 24,849 cars, 2,469 trucks. Only in the Battle of Moscow in the period from mid-November to 31 December 1941 the Red Army captured the enemy's 15,049 vehicles.

Huge trophies went to the Red Army as a result of the victory on the banks of the Volga. In total, the environment and liquidation of the Stalingrad group of enemy troops Don Front was captured by 80,438 cars and 571 truck. The correspondent of "Red Star", who was in the area west of Stalingrad, wrote in those days:

"The Germans there were thousands of trucks, cars, mostly dumped in the ravines, as they had neither the time nor the means to destroy them ... About 70 percent of these machines can still be repaired and re-start up in business."

After the Great Victory left a fairly large KdF-82/82E." Gradually, they moved out of the army in the national economy, and finished his service usually privately owned, some cars have survived to the present days.

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Please see video with translated subtitles.


KdF-82 were used after the war in agriculture and army up to 50-60 years, and after cars disposed of or redeemed their private owners. In fact, many engines are removed from the machine and sent to Siberia, to the sawmill, where the engines are still to be found, having worked without any repair for almost 70 years!
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VW Käfer (Vocho), First registration date in Deutschland: 14/09/1984, Engine 1200.
(Hecho en México)

[antonb]

[GArBa]

sorry but this last comment leaves me a bit puzzled. nobody here has been bashing russian. we were sorry your automatic translated post were so hard to read because we were interested in their content.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[antonb]

[GArBa]

you got it wrong... that "it's a shame" phrase Martin Southwell wrote is not an insult. it means he's sorry he can't read your posts because of the poor automatic translation.
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cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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moped:
'82 Benelli Magnum 3v

[ovalmark]

[sgmalt46]

did nobody notice the vw 38 #5 from the pictures above? plate 43005 !!!
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