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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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My take is the classic auctions are so full of restorations right now prices are falling like a rock.


this is very true

Kissimmee was an eye opener for my buddy.....80-100K cars selling for 30-50K

"flipper" junk buses in the 15-20K range.



I agree.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

You guys are a bunch of negative Nancys. Rolling Eyes


People pay for the other vehicles I mentioned on the first page or those companies wouldn't exist. Would people line up to pay for buses at high prices.... maybe not. But I bet there would be some people who would. Maybe enough to keep a low volume company in business.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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You guys are a bunch of negative Nancys. Rolling Eyes


People pay for the other vehicles I mentioned on the first page or those companies wouldn't exist. Would people line up to pay for buses at high prices.... maybe not. But I bet there would be some people who would. Maybe enough to keep a low volume company in business.


I agree with you...

If you were to offer all of the luxury camping amenities of a Ram, Ford, or Mercedes van in a retro package, like a bus, but with a modern drivetrain...I could see a niche market.

Former hippies turned yuppies would probably love it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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You guys are a bunch of negative Nancys. Rolling Eyes


People pay for the other vehicles I mentioned on the first page or those companies wouldn't exist. Would people line up to pay for buses at high prices.... maybe not. But I bet there would be some people who would. Maybe enough to keep a low volume company in business.



Those companies like GM - and being able to buy a new 69 Convertible Camaro have big $ behind them either in personal investment or corporate brand backing.

VW wants nothing to do with you or their old product. Unlike Mercedes which has a thriving company backed - old pats reproduction program, VW shut the door the days after they ceased production on your particular vehicle.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

I think you are missing the point. GM, Dodge, Ford, VW etc aren't backing the companies that I mentioned.

We are talking about someone buying the molds and machinery to make very small batches or low volumes of vehicles for customers who would be paying up front for the vehicle.

The companies I linked to are independent companies that are building new vehicles in the likeness of the classics. Many of them are completely modernized while retaining the classic bodies and features that make them a classic. Example: It is called the ICON BR not the Ford Bronco resto-moded by ICON.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

Just in case you are to lazy to jump back to the first page here are the examples again......

Power Wagon:
http://www.legacyclassictrucks.com/

Mustangs:
http://revologycars.com/

Broncos:
http://www.icon4x4.com/br
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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Just in case you are to lazy to jump back to the first page here are the examples again......

Power Wagon:
http://www.legacyclassictrucks.com/

Mustangs:
http://revologycars.com/

Broncos:
http://www.icon4x4.com/br



I was to lazy to read it all. I dint realize they were not affiliated. Thanks for pointing that out.

I personally would much rather buy a Retro Modern Power Wagon than a Bus for the bad ass feeling you already announced.

What I don't think you are grasping is the immense juggernaut of an industry around the vehicles you point out both by the manufacture and SEMA Accessory based components.

A shitty old 73 Bus has none of that. Hell a cool 55 23 Window barndoor has none of that. For as neat of an idea it would be to have it, I don't see it being a profitable venture for the fool willing to start it up. Go get it going and prove me wrong, please. As more ACVW presence in the market would be good for everyone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

Maybe we could start a Go-Fund me? Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

I wouldn't even want to comprehend what it would cost to build all the body stamping dies required to stamp out a "new" VW bus. I know the cost would be prohibitive for sure. There simply isn't a big enough "niche" market to support it like there is with the classic mustangs or camaros.

Everyone wonders what VW of Mexico did w/their body dies after they stopped production of the beetle. You would of thought a large aftermarket body panel company would of tried to buy them to keep fresh "correct" body panels available. The same w/the stamps for the bays in Brazil. My bet is they were scrapped when production stopped.

The other factor is there still thousands and thousands of unloved bay buses out there that could be bought and refurbished. Hell, they could even upgrade the buses w/Subaru engines and transmissions for faster freeway speeds. They could also install modern camper interiors in them, etc.. The problem is there not a big enough market of people wanting to drop the kind of money it would take to buy this refurbished bus. Mint late Westphalias can reach $40k plus. I'd imagine the price point of this new modern refurbished bus would be much more than that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

They probably scrapped the dies. I'm pretty sure that's what VW did to all of the dies when they were done with them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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They probably scrapped the dies. I'm pretty sure that's what VW did to all of the dies when they were done with them.



I've said it many times. VW does not give a shit about their older cars. They are not on the business of keeping their legacy going other than self promoting wishy washy videos of the bus ending production.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

My whole thought with this thread wasn't to actually manufacture new bay windows from scratch.

You could take a late model Brazilian bay shell '98+ essentially "remanufacture" it and make it similar to a 70's era US-spec bay in terms of appearance. It would certainly save on the cost of rust repairing/prepping the crusty bay windows we have here.

I don't think you could use the VW name but I'm pretty sure once it's undergone a manufacturing process that would entitle it to a new VIN with a new company. I assume you'd have to import shells and not complete vehicles...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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You guys are a bunch of negative Nancys. Rolling Eyes


People pay for the other vehicles I mentioned on the first page or those companies wouldn't exist. Would people line up to pay for buses at high prices.... maybe not. But I bet there would be some people who would. Maybe enough to keep a low volume company in business.


yes, and there is a market for it...those guys build epic cars out of the shells...

if it were profitable or vw people would pay, it would be done....gerson stopped making parts for bays....why?

VW PEOPLE ARE CHEAP BASTARDS
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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....gerson stopped making parts for bays....


Not so, we should see some really nice noses come springtime. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:


yes, and there is a market for it...those guys build epic cars out of the shells...

if it were profitable or vw people would pay, it would be done....gerson stopped making parts for bays....why?

VW PEOPLE ARE CHEAP BASTARDS


I would think the VW people who would be willing to pay for this would be the same crowd that can afford the Raby specials and your own Subaru swap. People who have money and like something enough to spend that money.

We can hope and wish all day. It would be cool but like others have said the dies are probably scrap at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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I would think the VW people who would be willing to pay for this would be the same crowd that can afford the Raby specials and your own Subaru swap.


That is a very small crowd. Why do you think Raby got out of it? He's a smart guy and follows the money. As far as Skills conversion, it takes a special breed for his services. He does have a client base, but they are not lining up like he's selling elephant ears at the fair concession stand.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

indeed...

very narrow market no matter how good the product is. working on/for ANY car that is deemed a "hobby" or "enthusiast" is a sure way to go to bed hungry every night
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

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I would think the VW people who would be willing to pay for this would be the same crowd that can afford the Raby specials and your own Subaru swap. People who have money and like something enough to spend that money.


Did you see the starting prices for the Mustang repros?

Mustangs:
http://revologycars.com/

Click on the "Prices" link - the base vehicle before the modern fancy options is $165,000. That new Low volume replica mustang is at least $200K - and I only looked at the cheapest model.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

Based on the Mustangs, it looks like you do need the company to license the product - Ford has licensed the use.

I doubt VW would do the same.

For Bays, even if it were possible to get the licensing, the cost of the vehicle would probably not be worth it vs buying a mint restored/modified original.

For splits it might start being closer.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: Low Volume Replica Law ...Bay Windows? Reply with quote

Delorean had all the parts except for nosepieces , I think there was a septum problem with those
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