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Amzoch
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Hello my friends. I have a 1960, it has the original gearbox 1200, but I have a 1600ccm engine with engine code as106236, this 1200 gearbox and engine is not quite sync  the gearbox can I put on this that goes right in and get full utilization of engine and transmission?
Thanks for all your help, hilden a novice from Norway |
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Eric&Barb
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Not sure what you are asking.
You can install a 1600 cc engine into a split case transaxle. You will need to trim the rear engine tin to fit in with the body seal.
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Amzoch
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:28 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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hehe sorry bad English, and Google translate :p
In my 60 i have orginal gearbox from a 1200ccm engien.. But now i have a 1600ccm engien,. and still the gearbox from 1200ccm
the first gear dont sync right,. så i need a better gearbox.
I know i can use 1300as gearbox. is that the only one thats fits without big rebuilt to make it fit?
and make my car work as it shall. all is synct. |
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EVfun
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:11 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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| Amzoch wrote: |
hehe sorry bad English, and Google translate :p
In my 60 i have orginal gearbox from a 1200ccm engien.. But now i have a 1600ccm engien,. and still the gearbox from 1200ccm
the first gear dont sync right,. så i need a better gearbox.
I know i can use 1300as gearbox. is that the only one thats fits without big rebuilt to make it fit?
and make my car work as it shall. all is synct. |
No other gearbox fits a '60 without some extra effort. That was a 1 year only front mount, 1 year only nose cone, and a 1 year only case for the early transaxle. The usual swap to put in a later box seems (based on pictures I've seen here) put the engine at the wrong angle and leave the tail pipes low.
The transaxle in your car is not supposed to have a syncro in 1st gear. Don't shift into that gear while in motion. Gearing wise, the stock '60 transaxle has gearing very close to the early 1500 Bugs. It is not as strong, but so long as your engine is near stock it should work just fine.
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Dougy Dee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:12 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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Split Case 1960 box does NOT have synchro to 1st.
Is that what you are asking? |
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Amzoch
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:15 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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Thanks.. Yes Evfun did answered, it is so that 1300as gearbox do not fit directly!did i understood it right? , what must I do to get it to work, a stock 1600ccm engine yes,
someone who has done this before? switched to a stronger gearbox for larger engine? some ? |
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Eric&Barb
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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Here is same info from the Bus Owner's Manual MAR56 in Norwegian:
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EVfun
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:31 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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This seems to be the problem with using the Bus nose cone to install a later transaxle in a 1960 Bug. That one year has a different front mount, different nose cone, and even a different transaxle case than other years. It seems that the swap puts the engine too low. There are other threads where this comes up too.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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| EVfun wrote: |
| This seems to be the problem with using the Bus nose cone to install a later transaxle in a 1960 Bug. That one year has a different front mount, different nose cone, and even a different transaxle case than other years. It seems that the swap puts the engine too low. There are other threads where this comes up too. |
1960 only you use the 1960 only front mount,1960-1967 bus nose cone,bus hockey stick.
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Amzoch
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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| Do you have link to this two parts |
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EVfun
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 gearbox |
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| bill may wrote: |
| EVfun wrote: |
| This seems to be the problem with using the Bus nose cone to install a later transaxle in a 1960 Bug. That one year has a different front mount, different nose cone, and even a different transaxle case than other years. It seems that the swap puts the engine too low. There are other threads where this comes up too. |
1960 only you use the 1960 only front mount,1960-1967 bus nose cone,bus hockey stick. |
If you follow my link above you can see that is what they tried. The '60 mount grows strait out of the torsion housing (a pair of studs.)
Here is an explanation why the Bus nose cone trick that works for 1959 down doesn't work the same for the '60. You can see in the images of the 3 transaxles next to each other how the '60 mount is higher on the transaxle compared to the '59. So if you put a Bus nose cone on the late transaxle, to put the mount in the same position as the 1959 and earlier transaxle, it will be in the wrong place for a '60.
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