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KantDriveFast Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Pharquarx wrote: |
Ok, so we are now at that point on the restoration of my Horizon Blue '56 Ragtop Bug (which I went to see today and he is soooooooo handsome)!!!!!!!!! What is the consensus on the gasoline tank color? Or, to ask a different way, is there no objection from the gurus to the blue-grey L29 (in satin)? Thanks. |
If you're having a shop paint the tank, see if they can provide a sample from the L29 formula, and see how close it is. They should be able to mix it at 80% gloss, or whatever you specify. If it looks good, go for it...you can be the guinea pig. |
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Gary Bell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so I finished sanding out my tank tonight...... Sanding the clear down to get ready for the L29 blue grey.
I have hunted down the mix for Glasurit:
VOLKSWAGEN - L29 BLUE GREY
Glasurit Line 22
Target ltr kg
Base Amount Cumulative UNIT
M26 358.3 358.3 g
M60 290.3 648.6 g
M974 39.4 687.9 g
M77 13.1 701.1 g
522-322 380.5 1081.5 g
I am not sure what we are going to do about matching the gloss but will let you guys know. |
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bayareabug650 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2008 Posts: 193 Location: SSF
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yep I am now thoroughly confused as to what color I should paint my 58 tank and am really thinking of just painting it black since everything I have read here is so damn confusing. Not to mention if I choose to paint it Blue/Grey it probably still will not be a good match......
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr damn it I am confusedddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Agave58 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2008 Posts: 1190 Location: Central California
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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bayareabug650 wrote: |
Yep I am now thoroughly confused as to what color I should paint my 58 tank and am really thinking of just painting it black since everything I have read here is so damn confusing. Not to mention if I choose to paint it Blue/Grey it probably still will not be a good match......
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr damn it I am confusedddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Here is a pick of my original un-painted tank in my 58 HT Beetle. While not the best pic, the tank is not black, and is infact the blue/gray _________________ 1958 Agave Beetle (0\_!_/0)
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Pharquarx Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 249 Location: Southern California (Orange County)
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well, here is where I wound up on mine. Absolutely 100% correct, debateable - do I like it - darn right I do. Critics - they're just jealous.
_________________ Charlie
Stock 67 Vert Under Restoration
1958 Lambretta TV175 Series 1
1957 Vespa Messerschmitt 150 GS
1951 Douglas Vespa Rod Type (First month of production!!!)
1970 Triumph T120R (Bonneville)
1950 Vincent Comet
1952 Moto Rumi Sport 125
1973 Ducati 750 Sport |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Here's mine without the link:
_________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Right or wrong, the blue/grey colour looks great. Just to stir the pot a little more, I've noticed that all of the tanks have bee restored in full gloss paint. Any of the paint experts posting want to hazard a guess as to the amount of flattening agent should be added to get the correct factory sheen? _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388225 |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Envious wrote: |
Right or wrong, the blue/grey colour looks great. Just to stir the pot a little more, I've noticed that all of the tanks have bee restored in full gloss paint. Any of the paint experts posting want to hazard a guess as to the amount of flattening agent should be added to get the correct factory sheen? |
Same as the gloss black on the early engine tins........ _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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53 0val wrote: |
Envious wrote: |
Right or wrong, the blue/grey colour looks great. Just to stir the pot a little more, I've noticed that all of the tanks have bee restored in full gloss paint. Any of the paint experts posting want to hazard a guess as to the amount of flattening agent should be added to get the correct factory sheen? |
Same as the gloss black on the early engine tins........ |
Please don't mistake my comments as critisism. The attention to detail in your car continues to amaze me every time I see a new photo of it. I'm trying my best to sympathetically restore/preserve my 56 survivor. Glossy paint would stand out like a sore thumb. _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388225 |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Envious wrote: |
53 0val wrote: |
Envious wrote: |
Right or wrong, the blue/grey colour looks great. Just to stir the pot a little more, I've noticed that all of the tanks have bee restored in full gloss paint. Any of the paint experts posting want to hazard a guess as to the amount of flattening agent should be added to get the correct factory sheen? |
Same as the gloss black on the early engine tins........ |
Please don't mistake my comments as critisism. The attention to detail in your car continues to amaze me every time I see a new photo of it. I'm trying my best to sympathetically restore/preserve my 56 survivor. Glossy paint would stand out like a sore thumb. |
No worries Dave............ _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Pharquarx Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 249 Location: Southern California (Orange County)
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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If I remember correctly, they took mine down to about 80%. _________________ Charlie
Stock 67 Vert Under Restoration
1958 Lambretta TV175 Series 1
1957 Vespa Messerschmitt 150 GS
1951 Douglas Vespa Rod Type (First month of production!!!)
1970 Triumph T120R (Bonneville)
1950 Vincent Comet
1952 Moto Rumi Sport 125
1973 Ducati 750 Sport |
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Agave58 Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2008 Posts: 1190 Location: Central California
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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53 0val wrote: |
Here's mine without the link:
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I like your bulb holder, where can I get one? _________________ 1958 Agave Beetle (0\_!_/0)
Stateside Motors Inc
501 Foote Ave
Jamestown, New York 14701
Stateside Imported Cars/Motors Items Wanted
Sunland Motors
2030 Fremont St Las Vegas, Nevada
Sunland Motors Items Wanted |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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There are several types. This is an HK....with embossed "Autolampen Sicherungen" on the lid. It has the early Porsche/VW base. They made one for Mercedes and BMW and also a "generic" version that had a different assortment of lamps and fuses. They also came with 6 volt or 12 volt bulbs, depending on the YOM. I purchased this particular one several years ago from Andy Spilkoman.................but I have seen incomplete ones come up on German eBay occasionally. Few are marked with the HK engraving though. Expect to pay around $175 for a good one without dents, but the Porsche guys have driven the price of this particular version to over $300 anywhere near this condition. Most of them are Red............but you can find black ones and blue ones as well. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Envious Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1819 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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From the factory, would the tanks have been spray painted or dipped? _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388225 |
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KantDriveFast Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2005 Posts: 4293 Location: Caldwell, Id.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Envious wrote: |
From the factory, would the tanks have been spray painted or dipped? |
Dipped. Pretty much everything that isn't a body panel (engine tin, access covers, brackets, etc.) was dipped. |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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im trying to figure out a for sure fact on this one detail about convertibles thats puzzling me: whats correct for the gas tanks on 1956 to 1960 beetles? I need to know what karmann did at their factory different than wolfsburg did for sedans and ragtops. Are humptanks in convertibles painted:
1) paint matched the convertible's body color top side and bottom side
2) L29 grey
3)paint matched the convertibles body color top side and L29 grey on the bottom side?
any pics of unrestored cars with their original issued tank unmolested would really help!
also, if you still have the original trunk liner and wiring covers in place, are they painted light grey ( how wolfsburgwest sells them) or are they paint matched to the convertible's body color? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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maesdieter Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2008 Posts: 118 Location: Belgium / Europ
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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my tank was originaly gloss black, when i dismantled the car and it is black again
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noheb Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2005 Posts: 168 Location: Denmark, Europe
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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The colour of the tank has been discussed so many times now... Earlier discussions have come to this conclution:
(Following does not apply to standards!, export only)
up to april 1951: Same colour as the car.
from april 1951 to mid 1955: Sedan: Matt black, Cabrio: same as the car.
from mid 1955: bluish grey on most cars.
Best regards,
Ken. |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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noheb wrote: |
The colour of the tank has been discussed so many times now... Earlier discussions have come to this conclution:
(Following does not apply to standards!, export only)
up to april 1951: Same colour as the car.
from april 1951 to mid 1955: Sedan: Matt black, Cabrio: same as the car.
from mid 1955: bluish grey on most cars.
Best regards,
Ken. |
but convertibles up to 1960 had color matched tanks ( at least the top side) _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
PUNCTUATION CHANGES THE WORLD: "I need to help my uncle, Jack, off a horse" is way better than, "I need to help my uncle jack off a horse" |
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jooles Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2008 Posts: 235 Location: Bulgaria / France
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: |
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When asking the birth certificate for my car, VW sent me an extract from a book in german which lists every colours of the body and of the different parts of the cars. Here is what is written concerning tanks :
- 47-49 : umbra (which is some kind of earth brown : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra_(Farbe) , link is broken)
- 49-52 : car colour
- 52 - 10/52 : blue grey (without ref)
- 10/52 - 08/60 : blue grey L29
- 08/60 - : grey black L43
I don't have anything about convertibles though, but I will tend to take those informations as correct for sedans.
I tend to suppose black tanks are replacement tanks. For instance, the tank on my car is black, without anything unde this black, and I'm sure they wouldn't have sanded it before painting it (hey, they didn't do it for the body...)
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