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Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:10 pm

i just posted a bunch of pics in the gallery comparing different year aprons. i am not certain of specific year changes for a couple, but you get the idea. they are not necessarily the most pristine examples, but they are what i had laying around. i did not have a barndoor one to take pics of, but should have one shortly.
just search hazetguy in the gallery (under "split bus rear aprons")

Gallery link:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_keywords=split+bus+rear+aprons

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There are additional comments under the Gallery links below, please read for full information. The information below may have been updated further based on posts in this thread, please post or contact EverettB with any corrections.

Barndoor:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=457374
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=457373
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=457372
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=457375

2 cutouts should not be there

3/55-59 (36hp)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221899
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221897

No cutouts for exhaust pip

59-60 (Bastard engine?)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221893
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221892

There should be one cutout for left-side exiting exhaust pipe

60-65 apron (40hp/1500cc)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221890
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221889

59-60 vs. 60-65 comparison (Bastard vs. 40hp/1500cc)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221891

66-67
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221888
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221887

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:17 pm

As always, this is greatly appreciated.

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:44 pm

Jon, you need to publish a book, all your pics and how to are a great help to many people.

and I know we won't have to worry about a how to lower your bus tech artical from you

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:53 pm

I thought 59s had a crank apron too? Thus the one year-only longer crank handle...

Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:25 am

EverettB wrote: I thought 59s had a crank apron too? Thus the one year-only longer crank handle...
I have a wierd apron that came with a 60 SC I had a few years ago. It is crank start, but has one tailpipe cut out.

Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:25 am

i dunno. the dates are a guess, and luckily, the really cool guy who runs this site added an "edit" feature for the text of the pics so i can change the info if needed. and by no means am i trying to be the "end all debate" guy on these, because i am sure there are some weird variations, but the ones i took pics of seem to be the most common examples for the vast majority of busses i've seen.
have you ever seen (in person) a 59 with a crankstart and the supposed "longer" handle? i have not. :?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:31 am

2 years ago, i bought a '59 double door panel who had a crank start apron and a crank start nut. Never found the handle but i'm sure at 99.9% it was original to this panel. P.O. never found handle in his garage.

Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:41 am

maybe the "early" 59's still had cranks, and the "later" 59's did not? all i can say is that the one that is pictured (the blue one) is definitely the original to my 6/30/59 built Westfalia which i believe would have had the bastard motor, but maybe not since it was a UT delivery bus (maybe i'll look at the "birth certificate, even though i think it's wrong). and maybe busses in other countries (remember, these are USA busses i'm talking about) had 36hp later into production? they had semaphores and 40hp's later, why not 36hp?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:18 am

I would agree that it would be a 36hp-only thing so I guess early '59-only.

I have seen the longer crank handle but cannot verify my statements with knowledge of an all-original 36hp '59.

Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:32 am

I've got a longer crank handle.....exactly the same as the early ones, but about three inches longer.

Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:39 am

My early 60 DC and my 60 SC (27,000 original miles) both had/have crankstart aprons, both were original owner (per say) when I bought them and both in what was left of the og paint. I thought that was odd when I got them but never paid attention to it. Noe of my other 1960 buses have crank start aprons, only the trucks, early 60 truck only thing maybe, or changed and painted original color way back when?

Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:44 am

I added this thread to the FAQ.

I added some Barndoor rear aprons to the Gallery, they are accessible using the link in the first post of this thread.

One photo

Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:09 am

splitpile wrote: My early 60 DC and my 60 SC (27,000 original miles) both had/have crankstart aprons, both were original owner (per say) when I bought them and both in what was left of the og paint. I thought that was odd when I got them but never paid attention to it. Noe of my other 1960 buses have crank start aprons, only the trucks, early 60 truck only thing maybe, or changed and painted original color way back when?

My 60 SS DD panel also has the original crank start apron. So far 3 of my 8 1960 buses have crank start aprons. I'll have to see what my new to me 60 SO 23 has when I pic it up.

Sun May 02, 2010 10:03 am

in looking at this thread, i see that 55-58 had an apron

besides the slightly obvious, what about mounting location??? my march 58 bus' apron seems to mount about a quarter of an inch to high, the decklid, which i don't thin is right for the bus either fits so tight you can't get a peice of paper around the top or the bottom, and that's with the apron being bowed out. i think it's all in the apron just wondering about mounting location differences.

it does appear as though my apron sits a good quarter of an inch higher at the bottom than the two corners of the bus.

here is a not so good pic of it in place but not mounted

and this one you can kinda see how it does sit higher than the corner...granted the apron isn't mounted, but that's how it sits even bolted on...again, the decklid, shut, has harldy any room on top and bottom, and my decklid is bowed out, that hsould tell you how much smaller the hole is than the decklid.

shot of the decklid (which it has been established that isn't correct either perhaps that's part of the problem)

shouldn't i have a crank start apron???

Sun May 02, 2010 10:14 am

Sun May 02, 2010 10:25 am

whether or not you should have a crank apron was determined at the top of the post .all correctness aside you have other problems as those parts should be able to work properly. your apron mounts most likely are bent plausibly guessing when a rear collision took out your original apron and decklid.

Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:58 am

Hi! I have a 65 deluxe bus and got a 58 rear apron from my friend, it looks like a fit. Is the only difference the crank start hole or are there more differences?

Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:28 pm

The spacing between where the deck lid latches and the seal channel is located is different. 36hp engine vs. 1500cc engine.

You will find out when you try to bolt it up with the engine in place.

hazetguy's link in the first post of this thread results in this comparison photo
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=221891

Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:09 pm

Just to add to the confusion, I have a 12-12-1958 build date Kombi which I would consider an early 1959 model and my apron has no hole for a crank start.

Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:40 pm

Does the difference between stale air and fresh air 40 horse engine tins enter into this somewhere?