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Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:42 pm

Hey. I know Bays are considered type 2, but I've heard engines in Bays can be either type 2 or type 4. How does one know? Is it the size of engine? Thanks...just on my continuous quest to become edumacated.

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:47 pm

The engines are referred to as type 1 or type 4. Type 1 is a beetle style engine which came in years up to 71. 72 and after have a type 4 (or type IV) engine. All of these were available in a type 2 vehicle (bus).

Hope this helps.

Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:56 pm

So we're talking pancake vs. upright?

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:08 pm

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:15 pm

I remember back when the 411 came out [that is where the type IV engine comes from, NOT the later Porsche 914] that the engine was called 'suitcase'.

Bugs [type 1] were uprights.
Squarebacks/fastbacks [type 3] were pancakes.
411/412 [type 4] were suitcases.

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:25 pm

The Haynes book still refers to the dual carb engine as a suitcase.

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:26 am

type I engines are 1100-1600cc in most cases and the pancake, type IV, suitcase began life as a 1700, then 1800, and a 2000 until '79. After that is the vanagon years to which I am unfamiliar.
Your '78 has a pancakse engine in it, but I'd consider selling it to me- where it can have a long life free from all dropped valves that could potentially come it's way. :P

Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:55 am

Karl wrote: I remember back when the 411 came out [that is where the type IV engine comes from, NOT the later Porsche 914] that the engine was called 'suitcase'.

Bugs [type 1] were uprights.
Squarebacks/fastbacks [type 3] were pancakes.
411/412 [type 4] were suitcases.

I thought the 411 came out in '69 same as the 914???

side note: Porsche did a bunch of R&D on the type 4 motor helping VW solve alot of the type one design issues.

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:48 am

"the 914 was considered to be a Volkswagen in Europe,"
from here: http://members.rennlist.com/914_canam/914GT.htm

And from here: http://www.german-sportscars.com/914.htm
"The 914/4 used a fuel-injected 1.7 liter "pancake" four-cylinder engine derived from that used in the VW 411."

And from here: http://vista.pca.org/stl/914.htm
The 914 was introduced in Sept 1969 as a 1970 model.

The 411 was produced from the summer of 1968..... a full year before the 914 appeared. http://www.type4.org/

So it seems that the type 3 engine is the suitcase engine and the type 4 is the pancake engine.

Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:57 am

VWBusrepairman wrote: Your '78 has a pancakse engine in it, but I'd consider selling it to me- where it can have a long life free from all dropped valves that could potentially come it's way. :P

Give up VWrepairman! You're not getting my bus!

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:33 pm

[quote="Karl"]"

The 411 was produced from the summer of 1968..... a full year before the 914 appeared. http://www.type4.org/
quote]

Ok, I couldn't remember when the 411 was introduced. I know the 914 history quite well.
Still trying to muddle thru my copy of Das Grosse VW-Porsche Buch.

Geoff

Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:44 pm

deschutestrout wrote:
Give up VWrepairman! You're not getting my bus!
I shall never surrender, so be aware that I will forever stalk your bus, kind sir! :P

Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:21 pm

VWBusrepairman wrote: deschutestrout wrote:
Give up VWrepairman! You're not getting my bus!
I shall never surrender, so be aware that I will forever stalk your bus, kind sir! :P

Gus stays in Oregon. :wink: You can marvel at him should you decide to roadtrip here next June for the 1st annual Deschutes River VW gathering :lol:

Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:25 pm

deschutestrout wrote: VWBusrepairman wrote: deschutestrout wrote:
Give up VWrepairman! You're not getting my bus!
I shall never surrender, so be aware that I will forever stalk your bus, kind sir! :P

Gus stays in Oregon. :wink: You can marvel at him should you decide to roadtrip here next June for the 1st annual Deschutes River VW gathering :lol:

June what ?

Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:36 pm

I'm looking at the weekend of June 2nd or June 9th. I'll keep you posted as plans develop. I'll pick a date soon and post the details. Should be great! Camping, cabins available for non-camping VW enthusiasts, rafting, fly fishing, great food, music, BEER, swap meet, etc. This Samba gang will be the first to hear! Hope you can make it Chris!

Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:35 pm

June 9th is very close to the date for next years VW Classic.