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Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:00 am

I want a little more juice out of my 1500cc, my brother told me he had upgraded the distributor in his bug to a .009 and now i want to install one in my 63 bus. My main question is, is it possible to use the .009 on a 6volt system? I am looking into converting to 12volt but having a hard time finding all the things i need, does anyone sell a 6v to 12v conversion kit that would include all the goodies i need? And i already tried searching, im not that newbie. :lol:

-Teddy

Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:03 am

You can use a 009 on a 6 volt system. The same points, condenser, rotor and cap can be used on either 6v or 12v.

The coil will have to be specific to 6v or 12v.

There are better distributors to use instead of a 009.

Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:06 am

better quality or higher performance? I want a little of both, can you elaborate?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:14 am

blue62 wrote: better quality or higher performance? I want a little of both, can you elaborate?

It depends...

009s have some quality control problems. The old German are the best, then the Brazilian and the worst are the knockoffs from China. I've seen a number of Brazilian 009s have unstable dwell and not fully advance.

Performance depends on engine specs. A Bosch 019 was part of the original Bosch Screamer kit before Bosch switched over to cast aluminum bodies and the 009.

Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:20 am

good to know, thanks for the quick info!

I found this .009 w/ a google search, how can i tell if its one of the "better" quality distributors?(you mentioned German,Brazil, & China)

http://www.bugauto.com/volkswagen/index.php?action...revstart=0

Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:40 am

Turn it upside down and on the body around where the shank widens to the body it will say BOSCH and GERMANY or BRAZIL. If it says neither... it's a knockoff.

Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:32 pm

get a vacume advance distributor, youll get better drivability and gas milage. a 009 is not a good dis. choice for a bus

Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:03 am

given the same total advance the power is the same!
the better distributor is vacuum+advance

Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:54 am

PEPPE wrote: given the same total advance the power is the same!
the better distributor is vacuum+advance

There's more to a distributor than total advance.

Where the advance starts and the actual curve will affect performance.

Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:03 am

blue62 wrote: I want a little more juice out of my 1500cc, my brother told me he had upgraded the distributor in his bug to a .009 and now i want to install one in my 63 bus. My main question is, is it possible to use the .009 on a 6volt system? I am looking into converting to 12volt but having a hard time finding all the things i need, does anyone sell a 6v to 12v conversion kit that would include all the goodies i need? And i already tried searching, im not that newbie. :lol:

-Teddy

Back in the day a lot of people were sold on this myth that the 009 improves performance, hence all the aircoooled engines out there missing their original diz. Part of it was probably the Muir book recomandattion and some people are just cheap...a 009 was/is cheaper than a factory diz. But does it really improve performance? In most VWs it doesn't because a 009 is mechanically advanced it is not as responsive as a vacuum advanced diz. A lot of people experiece a "bog" on acceleration off the line because the diz must start spinning in order to advance. Hence your performance may actually decrease along with your gas mileage. Keep you stock diz. If you want better performance it will take other things more complicated and expensive than sticking is a $49 009.
--Dan

Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:09 am

Glenn, just how does one know what dizzy should go into their engine if the original vac. adv dizzy has been replaced by an 009?

Also, is the new re-pop SVDA dizzy that CIP1 is selling, any good?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:51 am

This page will tell you what was originally in your engine.

http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm

There are currently 2 SVDA distributors being manufactured. One is a genuine Bosch 034 that is made in Mexico and the other is the Bruck of Germany.

I've seen the Mexican Bosch and they seem to work fine. The Bruck seems to have some issues with the vacuum pat leaking. Other than than, i've never used one.

For my money... i rather have a real Bosch.

Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:48 am

Glenn wrote: This page will tell you what was originally in your engine.

http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm

That's the rub, I bought the bus several months back. All the PO could tell me about the engine was that it is a dual port 1600. Of course it isn't the original engine.

Oh and thank you very much for your thoughts on the new dizzys. You were selling good used SVDA bosch dizzy at one time, weren't you?

Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:52 am

I don't sell used distirbutor and I don't generally work on the later cast aluminum.

You can buy a brand new Bosch 034 made in Mexico from CB Performance for $99. Both AC.net and AJ Simms sell recurved 034s for performance engines.

Good used 034s can be found at swap meets for $5-$20.

Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:20 pm

blue62 wrote: I want a little more juice out of my 1500cc

Hey Teddy,

I'm of the same opinion as most of the above posts, but... If it's more "juice" you're looking for.. condider some dual carbs, before you spend your coin on a new dist. You'll feel more of a difference with the dual carbs than the dist., but don't expect to just bolt them on and be done. You'll have to educate yourself to get the most out of them. It'd be worth it though if you're truely looking for more performance.

Just my opinion...

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:56 am

You could get a set of 1600 pistons. That would make a noticeable difference. Also, as Jake has stated many times, real power is made in the heads.

Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:16 am

A good used SVDA (OG Bosch) is hard to beat. All new ignition parts make a big difference also. A well tuned Stock carb is something to behold.

You wouldn't believe how many people I run into that want to boost the power of their engine, but are only making 1/2 the power a 1500/1600 should be making!! Start with the simple items before you start throwing money away.

Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:55 pm

i have dual weber 34's and really hate them. they both have leaking gaskets and always seem to need a seasonal adjustment. unless you are knowlwgable concerning jet sizes and correct tuning operations i would stay away from them. mine also have no vacume advance hookup, so i have to run a 009, and i hate it too. they will not just bolt on and give you more power, there is more to it than that.
a good rebushed german single carb with electric choke is the simplist and best choice you could make, simple and if properly adjusted will provide adaquate power for your motor. bolting on some 1600 jugs is a great suggestion for more power.
good luck with your choice

Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:40 am

how many people on the samba remove their rotor on the 009 and put a few drops of oil on the felt piece under the rotor to lube it?? ever done that? just curiouse about this.

Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:43 am

bill may wrote: how many people on the samba remove their rotor on the 009 and put a few drops of oil on the felt piece under the rotor to lube it?? ever done that? just curiouse about this.

Or put a dab of distributor grease on the cam lobes?