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Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:14 am

I'm going to buy one of these,

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D7036

but I've never used one before.

I did a search, and apparently you have to find some Rabbit M12x1.5 lug nuts to use it with 5 lug drums because bus/bug lug nuts are too short. :evil:

When you use the tool, is it necessary to secure the drum from spinning around? I'm wondering if I need to order a "helping hand" too.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C26%2D000%2D145

Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:34 am

The "true" Torquemeister tool that Kymco designed and sold came with the lugs. I have one, it has never failed me.

The ones CIP sells are Chinese knock-offs, I understand. I guess they do not come with all the bells and whistles.

No, you won't need a helping hand other than the e-brake or leaving the tranny in gear. The small gear rotates around the large one, I've never needed to use a bar.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:40 am

If you have the 46MM nuts on your axles, this will not work. The Kymco unit came with instructions on how to modify a 46MM socket to make it work. It involved cutting down the socket and welding a 36MM axle nut to the top of it.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:02 pm

Luckily, I have 36mm axles so I'm good on that front. Where did you get the genuine Kymco tool? I did a quick search on Google, Mid America Motorworks has it for $100. For $40 less I could probably live with the knock off since I won't be using too often (knock on wood)

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:10 pm

I got it directly from Kymco, but they stopped selling it as the knockoffs were undercutting them too much in price to make it worth their while.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:10 pm

I have the knock off with no complaints, I have only used it on the gland nut with no problem. This tool worked so well I was afraid that the gland nut really wasn't that tight, but it is, and it works just as stated. I have the larger axle nuts and would be interested in how to do the conversion. If anyone has a copy of the instructions, and could mail me a copy, it would be much appreciated.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:15 pm

I have it somewhere, not sure if I could find it quickly though. You could try emailing Kymco Motorsports and see if they might send you one.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:43 pm

IDMOOTH,
I have a copy of the original drawing from KYMCO that shows how to
modify your torque Meister tool to handle the larger nuts (46MM)
It's pretty simple realy. If you send me a PM with your name and
postal contact be happy to send to a copy your way. :D

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:56 pm

Just to be clear, the tool is not modified in any way.

The 46MM socket is cut down to about an inch high or so and a 36MM axle nut is welded on the top of it. This allows the tool to fit onto the 36MM nut that will drive the 46MM socket.

For the average hobbyist, I'm not so sure that cutting a big socket in half is real easy to do, let alone welding a nut on it. Probably a job for a machine shop.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:44 pm

I must definitely be missing something. I bought that tool from CIP and I can't figure out how to attach it to the rear brake drum on the back because the holes don't line up. Does someone have a picture of how it goes on their rear brake drum?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:46 pm

http://www2.cip1.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D7036&PhotoNumber=3#largerphoto

For a wide-5 drum, use the outer holes on the tool.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:36 pm

Great link. Thanks!

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:22 pm

YellowSplittie wrote: Just to be clear, the tool is not modified in any way.

The 46MM socket is cut down to about an inch high or so and a 36MM axle nut is welded on the top of it. This allows the tool to fit onto the 36MM nut that will drive the 46MM socket.

For the average hobbyist, I'm not so sure that cutting a big socket in half is real easy to do, let alone welding a nut on it. Probably a job for a machine shop.

Here is a picture of the Torquemeister and a socket I modified.
This was for the 1-1/2" chromoly gland nut but it would be similar for the 46mm bus nut application.

Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:31 am

Mr Mike wrote: IDMOOTH,
I have a copy of the original drawing from KYMCO that shows how to
modify your torque Meister tool to handle the larger nuts (46MM)
It's pretty simple realy. If you send me a PM with your name and
postal contact be happy to send to a copy your way. :D
I have it in a .pdf file if you're in a hurry and want it emailed..... but turboblue's picture tells the whole story :wink:

Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:49 am

Bought the Kimco one years ago. Great tool. Anyone know where to get the rear drum plate by itself? Just don't want to buy the whole thing just for the plate.

Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:53 am

I have used the CIP tool many times. I always weld a 1 ½” socket to the bake side of the tool so I can use it on the chromoly gland nuts. I have never had a problem with the tool or the welding on the casting/forging?

Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:11 pm

The UPS man brought my Chinese Torquemeister from Cip1 today, I scored some long M14x1.5 lug nuts from AutoZone, and I go to bolt the tool up to my 5-lug small-nut drums.

The fv%$'n outer bolt holes on the tool are too small for the M14 nuts!!!! Looks like a trip to Sears is in my future for a 14mm drill bit... :fist: :snipersmile: Cip1

Also, the raised "starfish" part of the drum (around the middle hole) interferes with part of the tool that bolts onto the drum, so I'm going to need to take a flap wheel to the tool so I can bolt it on. YAAAAAAAY! :roll:

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:47 am

I am having some issues using this tool with small nut drums...needed to use very long bolts so the plate can be aligned properly with the tool gear itself...

however diameter seems not to be correct, and the tool gear is not making full contact with the plate...there is a gap of 1-2mm or so...

somebody used this tool with success with small nut drums? pictures? :?

Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:18 pm

issue solved. The bolts I was using were slightly bent.. :roll:

new bolts, spacing plate 1 inch from drum, and heating axle nut....did the job.

Now its turn for VW202 and 202c drum extractor...

Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:02 pm

After trying the wrench/sledgehammer method without success, I bought the torquemeister tool and the #@%&^$ 36mm nut still won't budge. Looks like I may have to crack and replace them.