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Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:21 pm

I'll start things off by providing a link to the collected type 4 literature on the samba itself.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/type4.php

If you have anything to add, feel free.

Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:13 am

What could happen if you put w8cc spark plugs and set the timing to 4 degees above TDC on a '74 412 wagon manual trans. engine.

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:15 am

Here's a list of the Type 4 literature that I have (all in hardcopy except #10):

1. Parts List, VW Type 4, Official Volkswagen, 1972
2. VW 411 & 412 [repair manual], 1968 thru 1973, Haynes, 1974
3. Volkswagen 411 & 412, 1968-1974 Shop Manual, Clymer, 1982
4. Volkswagen 411 and 412 Repair Guide, Peter Russek, 1974
5. Workshop Manual, Volkswagen L-Jetronic [fuel injection], Bosch, undated
6. Troubleshooting Guide, AFC Electronic Fuel Injection, Type 4 Automatic Transmission, Volkswagen, 1974
7. Troubleshooting Guide, Type 4 BA 4 Gas Heater, Volkswagen, 1972
8. Workshop Manual, Eberspacher BA4 Heater, Volkswagen, undated
9. Without Guesswork, 1971 through 1974 Types 1,2,3, and 4, Volkswagen, March 1974
10. Volkswagen Official Factory Microfiche Repair Information Archived on CD-ROM, Types 1,2,3,4 1969-1979 including Type 181, Bentley, 2002
11. Genuine Parts Illustrated Catalogue, VW 411/412, Volkswagen AG, 1990

I have also heard of a 411 repair manual from InterEurope books.

My 1974 edition of "Fix Your Volkswagen" by Larry Johnson also includes information on fixing Type 4 vehicles.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:46 pm

I've got a pristine and complete Aug 1970 Parts Book - I've scanned and PDF'd it and posted it on the Type-4 YahooGroup. Is there space for it on The Samba? It's about 9 meg total.

ubercrap wrote: I'll start things off by providing a link to the collected type 4 literature on the samba itself.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/type4.php

If you have anything to add, feel free.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:50 pm

I think you will need to contact Everett to see if he would be interested.

Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:16 pm

I have 2 provisional workshop manuals for the pre L-Jet cars. It includes how to rebuild your starter, alternator and even shows all the body shop measurements needed to rebuild your unibody car. if i could figure out how to scan it without destroying it, i would.

Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:34 am

I hav a Vin I am assuming is from a type 4, however it starts out 498 instead of 411, 412 etc. Does anyone know what vehicle this may be?
The title says Tudor? I am stumped.
Thanks Bill

Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:59 am

kd4msn wrote: I hav a Vin I am assuming is from a type 4, however it starts out 498 instead of 411, 412 etc. Does anyone know what vehicle this may be?
The title says Tudor? I am stumped.
What is the VIN attached to?

The 4 would indicate Type 4.
The 9 is usually a 1, a 2, or a 6 (2-door, 4-door, squareback)
The 8 would be a model year -- 9 for 1969, 0 for 1970, ..., 4 for 1974.

It was either a reassigned VIN by some DMV because the original VIN plate was lost or for some other reason ... or (less likely) the car was a prototype of some sort (hence, the 9) in 1968 (hence, the eight).

I am assuming this VIN is attached to a Volkswagen Type 4. Got any more details? I love guessing in the dark but it's not usually that informative.

Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:46 pm

oasis wrote: kd4msn wrote: I hav a Vin I am assuming is from a type 4, however it starts out 498 instead of 411, 412 etc. Does anyone know what vehicle this may be?
The title says Tudor? I am stumped.
What is the VIN attached to?

The 4 would indicate Type 4.
The 9 is usually a 1, a 2, or a 6 (2-door, 4-door, squareback)
The 8 would be a model year -- 9 for 1969, 0 for 1970, ..., 4 for 1974.

It was either a reassigned VIN by some DMV because the original VIN plate was lost or for some other reason ... or (less likely) the car was a prototype of some sort (hence, the 9) in 1968 (hence, the eight).

I am assuming this VIN is attached to a Volkswagen Type 4. Got any more details? I love guessing in the dark but it's not usually that informative.

The vin is on a Title, and a home made buggy, not an actual car I was thinking the 9 is a typo maybe should have been a 1, anycase since it starts with 4 It most likley is a type 4.
Although I thought 1969 was the first year for them, my title says 1967.
very cofusing to say the least. Thanks for replying

Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:36 pm

chris hobbs wrote: Here's a list of the Type 4 literature that I have (all in hardcopy except #10):

1. Parts List, VW Type 4, Official Volkswagen, 1972
2. VW 411 & 412 [repair manual], 1968 thru 1973, Haynes, 1974
3. Volkswagen 411 & 412, 1968-1974 Shop Manual, Clymer, 1982
4. Volkswagen 411 and 412 Repair Guide, Peter Russek, 1974
5. Workshop Manual, Volkswagen L-Jetronic [fuel injection], Bosch, undated
6. Troubleshooting Guide, AFC Electronic Fuel Injection, Type 4 Automatic Transmission, Volkswagen, 1974
7. Troubleshooting Guide, Type 4 BA 4 Gas Heater, Volkswagen, 1972
8. Workshop Manual, Eberspacher BA4 Heater, Volkswagen, undated
9. Without Guesswork, 1971 through 1974 Types 1,2,3, and 4, Volkswagen, March 1974
10. Volkswagen Official Factory Microfiche Repair Information Archived on CD-ROM, Types 1,2,3,4 1969-1979 including Type 181, Bentley, 2002
11. Genuine Parts Illustrated Catalogue, VW 411/412, Volkswagen AG, 1990

I have also heard of a 411 repair manual from InterEurope books.

My 1974 edition of "Fix Your Volkswagen" by Larry Johnson also includes information on fixing Type 4 vehicles.
Of all of those, what one is the most extensive and where can I get a copy or download of?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:11 am

i've been searching for an online manual that i could use on my garage laptop - is there such a thing available ?

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:26 am

Technical Manual?
I don't know of one.

Owner's Manual?
Some/All of the manuals here have PDF versions available:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/type4.php

Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:36 pm

If you join the Type-4 group at Yahoo
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Type-4/
both factory manual and part lists for the 411 are available under "Files".
Cant guarantee that they are 100% complete but the most seems to be there.

/Lars S

Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:37 am

Hello,
I am still searching information about the offered model in South Africa VW 411 Grand Prix. Ideal would be an original brochure or a copy.

My VW 411 L automatic coupe I build to this design and would like to customize it as much as possible to the original.
Thanks in advance.

Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:30 am

...for the salesmen. Original by Volkswagen AG.

This internal guideline "The parallel selling of different concepts" for VW-salesmen incl. a multiple-choice-quiz was issued in 1970, when the K 70 was introduced.

No kidding, in this brochure Volkswagen urges their salesmen, not to emphasize the advantage of the new K 70. Especially not the comfort, the driveability, the space for passengers and of the trunk, the ventilation and not the advantages of water cooling as a working heating and less engine noises.

Because the customers may think then, that the 411 is an helpless outdated, uncomfortable, impractical, obstructed and noisy clunker. This -of course irreal :lol: - thoughts include the danger, that the 411 is not sellable any more.

A funny authentic document, which proves, that already in 1970 Volkswagen had the knowledge -and the fear-, that their conception is a dead end road.

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:17 am

K70-Ingo wrote: ...for the salesmen. Original by Volkswagen AG.

This internal guideline "The parallel selling of different concepts" for VW-salesmen incl. a multiple-choice-quiz was issued in 1970, when the K 70 was introduced.

No kidding, in this brochure Volkswagen urges their salesmen, not to emphasize the advantage of the new K 70. Especially not the comfort, the driveability, the space for passengers and of the trunk, the ventilation and not the advantages of water cooling as a working heating and less engine noises.

Because the customers may think then, that the 411 is an helpless outdated, uncomfortable, impractical, obstructed and noisy clunker. This -of course irreal :lol: - thoughts include the danger, that the 411 is not sellable any more.

A funny authentic document, which proves, that already in 1970 Volkswagen had the knowledge -and the fear-, that their conception is a dead end road.

Thank you!

Its also worth it to note and speculate.....that VW may have also not wanted to "detract" from type 4 sales ....and even beetle and bus sales.....with the K70....because the K70 was such a miserable first example of a water cooled car for VAG's first real effort.

The styling.....had the same issues as the 411/412 in non-European markets. The K70 came in three HP ranges....the first of which at 75 hp had roughly the same power as a California spec 411.....and was equally slow and unreliable mechanically. It had 8.0:1 compression. The other two had 85 and 99 hp respectively. ...uskng SU carbs neither would meet current emmisions in the US or elsewhere in 1975....and the highest hp model had a 0-60 time of 13 seconds......barely quicker than than two door 412 saloon with 4 speed.

It was seen as anemic and problematic for the extra convenience the water cooling gave for heating etc.

I would also speculate that due to the somewhat ....not quite...... "better than the aircooled offering" of the K70.....VW may have also been ppaying it down because it did not quite meet the standards of other cars in its same class....some from Japan.....and......with the K70 not being perfect (but not bad).....they did not want to tarnish the quality of VW/Audi offerings.....while they were simultaneously trying to get the Audi 100 LS to sell.

Either way..m.its very interesting! Thank you! Ray

Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:41 am

Intresting litterature!

To me the K70 was a one of the most intresting cars in its time. Surprisingly the first year of its production it did not have a wery good heating something that was heavily criticized and solved on later models.
I would say not many, if any at all, cars from that time could compete in passenger and luggage space compared to outer dimensions, the sight was extremely good, also the ventilation and suspension was nice (OK the car was a bit long-legged and sometimes a bit spongy).
The safety was also wery well taken care of.

Design wise it was not worse but rather better and more futuristic then its competitors, just compare with family cars from BMW, Volvo, Saab, Ford, Opel, Peguot etc from the late '60s and early '70s (this is of course all subjective).

The K70 also had some intresting technical details such as the front brake discs mounted close to the gearbox and not one large but 8 small valve covers etc.

The engine was an updated wersion from the NSU rear engined small cars and may have been its biggest limitation. It was also known for its thirst.

To me the build finish and detail work was wery good, as on NSU generally, better then the later Passat etc. (which introduced the "light build technic") but rust was early an issue.

It did not succeed, to me not because of being a bad car, but becase of beeing to different from everything else in the VW family and as K70-Ingo wrote the salesmen were told not to emphasize the advantage of the new K 70.
It may be so that it acted as a mental door opener for the later Passat, Golf etc

I did not have a K70 myself but my best friend had, we made many, many miles in that car believe me we did our best to kill that engine but dit not succed.

/Lars S

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:01 am

Sorry for slipping into off-topic, but is XDR 537 N still existing? Actually there shall be seven K 70 still registrated in the UK.

This car on this photo, you have shown, appears in the issue Februrary 2006 of "Practical Classics"

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:13 am

K70-Ingo wrote: Sorry for slipping into off-topic, but is XDR 537 N still existing? Actually there shall be seven K 70 still registrated in the UK.

This car on this photo, you have shown, appears in the issue Februrary 2006 of "Practical Classics"

Sorry I dont know about the XDR...just stole the pic from the Inet.
However a friend of mine sold his (red and styled) K70 to England last year.

Lars S

Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:10 pm

I actually agree.....for its day....it was not a bad car at all. I have only seen maybe two in person.

The problem is.....was how it was perceived by the public....the car was actually better than many competitors...innovation wise. ....and most certainly as good as or better in quality than its competitors.

The problem(s).....were......that styling wise.....it was very "NSU".....as were the 411/412 ....not that I obviously have any problem with that :wink: ......but also it was while not being technically bad or inept......its output didn't shine greatly brighter tban anything VW had on the market already (not that what they had was not bright).

Then as now.....VW/Audi success was not just tied to how any car is perceived or received in Europe.....but also in world markets and especially North America. Whether it was ever destined to be sold here in North America or not....I can tell you the public at time would have yawned and scarecely noticed. Not enough power....not enough luxury....and in lieu of those two.....not enough glitz or chrome ... :lol:

It was a good looking practical and good technology car for its time...yes...better than the Saab 99....and probably the BMW 3.0 csi though not as fast.....and Opel Manta A/Ford Capri of 1970 and in.....while sleeker looking had nothing close at the time in technology. But it woule be hard to sell outside Europe...at that point in time. Ray