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Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:22 pm

Evil, I'm glad you can spray paint. I've been wearing pants my whole life, but I can't make them. I just know that more expensive ones last longer. Read the research that I'm linking you to, and then move this conversation to the Rants and Raves.

history of paint pigmentation:
http://www.multimediaarts.com/watercolors/colrhist.htm

detail of the pigments that make red since B.C.
http://www.gamblincolors.com/materials/reds.html

explanations and comparisons of different red hues, including makeup:
http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/waterr.html

More information than you ever wanted to know about paint:
http://www.sanders-studios.com/instruction/tutorials/historyanddefinitions/pigmentspresent.html

Things you should know, having worked in the business for so long: Cheap pigments fade faster, mix less consistently, and just suck in quality. Pigments in paint are the same amongst oils, watercolours, auto paint, etc. Just the binding agents change. So they have the same price differences no matter what kind of paint you're trying to buy. See you in the R&R.

Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:56 pm

yea.....this needs to go to the rants before I speak my mind any further also...... I've worked on both sides of the fence.....supplier and painter.

See you in the rants. your not being reasonable evil.
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easy is totally on track.....and I pay for "overpriced reds" all the time.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:26 am

Okay, no problem. I have nothing further to say on the subject on this board.

You're right, we're not getting screwed by PPG or Dupont. The benevolent corporate executives are always acting in our self-interest. $365 a gallon for Red basecoat is perfectly reasonable. Should they decide to raise that price to $2200 dollars a gallon in the near future, that would be just fine. The companies that are offering Red for the same price as any other color are obviously up to no good. The 9 out of 10 autobody shops who feel they're getting screwed for red and yellow toners and paints don't know what thier talking about

Sorry I started this thread. Didn't think there'd be that much resistance to something that's quite obvious. You can go back to sleep now.

E.B. out

Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:11 am

Evil, one other point you must consider, the rustoleum products are usually made with oil -based paints not solvent based, so there is an issue when it comes to pigment. If you took some rustoleum and sprayed a fender with it and scuffed it when it was dry and tried to re-topcoat with a automotive solvent-based clear there would be i significant chance of the clear either "fisheyeing" or "lifting" because of the difference in paint make-ups. Alot of the rustoleum products use the same pigments that make up traditional house paint.......that is why you see a significant price difference.

Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:27 am

Here is a basic:
Straight color is a hue. Adding white is called tint, adding black is called shade.
Tinting a red hue will make it lighter (pink), Shading a red hue will make it darker (Think black cherry)
Jeff