53 0val |
Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:41 pm |
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[quote="splitrob"]another one on ebay ended today at $100.
:roll: RZM stamped as well. :roll: |
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71er |
Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:57 pm |
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IN2VWS wrote: 71er wrote: IN2VWS wrote: How do you know they are 100% originals?
What information are you using to prove they are 100% originals?
those come from the USA those must originals be :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)
I am asking a serious question, not joking. Now you are making the shit stack higher.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
I don't mean any dispespect, but when you sell non VW items on ebay and tell people they are VW, then you loose credibility. So, prove to me these are 100% original!!!
Is this 100% original VW?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Uhr-fuer-s-Lenkrad-Petri-VD...dZViewItem
No
Is this 100% original VW?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Lenkrad-Hupenknopf-VW-Ovali...dZViewItem
No
it is not written that it VOLKSWAGEN a clock is. it is written that the clock in steering wheel fits. :wink:
The pins those to see here are are original. from one at VOLKSWAGEN worked at that time. you can regard my other pin. whether the originals is I do not know
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i...1&rd=1 |
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kdf38 |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:13 am |
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I wrote the seller of the one that ended last night for $100 and told him
it was a copy about five or six days ago.
Mike
[quote="53 0val"] splitrob wrote: another one on ebay ended today at $100.
:roll: RZM stamped as well. :roll: |
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DSF |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:23 am |
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Kind of off topic, but my grandfather had a friend in Rome (ages ago) that used to knock off Roman coins. He's cast them, throw them in a hole in the ground, pee on the area for a few weeks, and-- Roman coins.
He made a killing off the tourists as the story goes. Too bad e-bay wasn't around in the late 40's early 50's for him, lol. |
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53 0val |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:44 am |
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DSF wrote: Kind of off topic, but my grandfather had a friend in Rome (ages ago) that used to knock off Roman coins. He's cast them, throw them in a hole in the ground, pee on the area for a few weeks, and-- Roman coins.
He made a killing off the tourists as the story goes. Too bad e-bay wasn't around in the late 40's early 50's for him, lol.
Aging anything can be done with an acid................urine or orange juice.....it does the same thing. |
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Tram |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:07 pm |
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53 0val wrote: DSF wrote: Kind of off topic, but my grandfather had a friend in Rome (ages ago) that used to knock off Roman coins. He's cast them, throw them in a hole in the ground, pee on the area for a few weeks, and-- Roman coins.
He made a killing off the tourists as the story goes. Too bad e-bay wasn't around in the late 40's early 50's for him, lol.
Aging anything can be done with an acid................urine or orange juice.....it does the same thing.
Uh, oh, I'm sensing a HoodRide created shortage of orange juice... |
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Lind |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:15 pm |
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53 0val wrote: DSF wrote: Kind of off topic, but my grandfather had a friend in Rome (ages ago) that used to knock off Roman coins. He's cast them, throw them in a hole in the ground, pee on the area for a few weeks, and-- Roman coins.
He made a killing off the tourists as the story goes. Too bad e-bay wasn't around in the late 40's early 50's for him, lol. Aging anything can be done with an acid................urine or orange juice.....it does the same thing.
the snozzberries tastle like snozzberries. |
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banana split |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:53 pm |
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71er wrote: you can regard my other pin. whether the originals is I do not know
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i...1&rd=1
So we all know that this pin listed is an obvious fake but still you are trying to sell it for 50 EURO "Buy it Now" ?? Come on. That's no different than trying to sell a 50 cent can of Coke for $25. It's a scam and a blatant rip off. Youre just looking for some fool who can be easily parted with his money. In this case, withholding the truth is as bad as outright lying. This is a very dishonest business practice. |
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banana split |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:59 pm |
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Also noticed this statement in your Ebay auction :
"No warranty or return there private sales of a used article!".
Since this is a "new" item, I guess you're saying that the buyer can return it if he's not happy #-o |
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53 0val |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:15 pm |
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banana split wrote: 71er wrote: you can regard my other pin. whether the originals is I do not know
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i...1&rd=1
So we all know that this pin listed is an obvious fake but still you are trying to sell it for 50 EURO "Buy it Now" ?? Come on. That's no different than trying to sell a 50 cent can of Coke for $25. It's a scam and a blatant rip off. Youre just looking for some fool who can be easily parted with his money. In this case, withholding the truth is as bad as outright lying. This is a very dishonest business practice.
:D Haven't we discussed this before. :wink: |
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iowegian |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:55 pm |
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banana split wrote: ..... That's no different than trying to sell a 50 cent can of Coke for $25...
Is that Coca Cola Classic or Diet Coke? :? |
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53 0val |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:58 pm |
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iowegian wrote: banana split wrote: ..... That's no different than trying to sell a 50 cent can of Coke for $25...
Is that Coca Cola Classic or Diet Coke? :?
For you it's Diet Coke. :D |
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iowegian |
Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:50 pm |
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53 0val wrote: iowegian wrote: banana split wrote: ..... That's no different than trying to sell a 50 cent can of Coke for $25...
Is that Coca Cola Classic or Diet Coke? :?
For you it's Diet Coke. :D
I know :cry: . But I like genuine things. |
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DSF |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:39 am |
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Lind wrote: 53 0val wrote: DSF wrote: Kind of off topic, but my grandfather had a friend in Rome (ages ago) that used to knock off Roman coins. He's cast them, throw them in a hole in the ground, pee on the area for a few weeks, and-- Roman coins.
He made a killing off the tourists as the story goes. Too bad e-bay wasn't around in the late 40's early 50's for him, lol. Aging anything can be done with an acid................urine or orange juice.....it does the same thing.
the snozzberries tastle like snozzberries.
LMAO! |
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karmaniac |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:43 am |
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[quote="dantrefethen"] car maniac wrote: splitrock wrote: splitrock wrote: Here's a fake on eBay with 12 hours left at $46.64
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&...1&rd=1
Don't read German but I think he's claiming it is original.
Sold $59.76.
I guess it's time to sell my fake one.
You better donīt sell!
Here we have a lot of opinions - but no experts. I am collecting VW stuff here in Germany for over 15 years now and I can tell you one thing: I never met one who -really- can say, what makes a badge original !!
Fact is - several companies made hundred thousands of badges in 1938ff. And all are " original " but different ! there is no pattern which one is the real one...
So have a good feeling and believe yourīs original (and just give a shit if it is not - because no one can exactly say)
:lol:
There has been many threads written on how to tell the fake from the
real thing. Do a little research. Here is one to read talking about both
pins in question.
sure - I followed the discussions on thesamba. But I just want to repeat: a lot of opinions - but have you been there in 1938???
honestly - Iīm no seller and I do not purchase - because I am not sure ... :oops: (and even donīt trust all the experts in the US) And I īm no Mister know-it-all ; but maybe this discussion helps to get better info on this topic... - During long years of collecting , I have seen several different versions here in germany (and yes - often they were in long family possesion) - and I am only sure in one thing :
in 1938 different versions were made, because a few companies got the order to produce . So why should be only one version "the right one " today ? |
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vwtoyguy |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:01 am |
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Quote: in 1938 different versions were made, because a few companies got the order to produce
I am sure that we all would love to see your proof that more than one original version exists :!: :roll: |
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53 0val |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:19 am |
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[quote="karmaniac"] dantrefethen wrote: car maniac wrote: splitrock wrote: splitrock wrote: Here's a fake on eBay with 12 hours left at $46.64
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&...1&rd=1
Don't read German but I think he's claiming it is original.
Sold $59.76.
I guess it's time to sell my fake one.
You better donīt sell!
Here we have a lot of opinions - but no experts. I am collecting VW stuff here in Germany for over 15 years now and I can tell you one thing: I never met one who -really- can say, what makes a badge original !!
Fact is - several companies made hundred thousands of badges in 1938ff. And all are " original " but different ! there is no pattern which one is the real one...
So have a good feeling and believe yourīs original (and just give a shit if it is not - because no one can exactly say)
:lol:
There has been many threads written on how to tell the fake from the
real thing. Do a little research. Here is one to read talking about both
pins in question.
sure - I followed the discussions on thesamba. But I just want to repeat: a lot of opinions - but have you been there in 1938???
honestly - Iīm no seller and I do not purchase - because I am not sure ... :oops: (and even donīt trust all the experts in the US) And I īm no Mister know-it-all ; but maybe this discussion helps to get better info on this topic... - During long years of collecting , I have seen several different versions here in germany (and yes - often they were in long family possesion) - and I am only sure in one thing :
in 1938 different versions were made, because a few companies got the order to produce . So why should be only one version "the right one " today ?
You have the same attitude about the pins as 71er has..........Is there something in the water over there that causes mental problems or are you two related? :wink: |
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53 0val |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:04 am |
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Seems I need to explain to you and your ego a little bit about your own countries' history with regard to Ges Gesch and RZM marks on items produced during the Third Reich.
This will clearly point out the falacy in your logic. In Nazi Germany it was not allowed to put a swastika on anything without having government approval. This approval was given out to spacific industries who applied for it and had to meet certain standards of quality production. If the company was awarded this "privilege" then they could put Ges Gesch on the product and that protected them from any other company producing that identical product.........sort of like a patent does today. Now, according to your argument.....the pins in question, have that on them so they must be real? But you then go on to say there were several companies who made that pin. Do you see the problem with that logic? Let's continue.....
The original pins do not have Ges Gesch on them as they were produced by the government and did not have to apply for any patent to protect their own product. The cornerstone pin was not produced by VW......it was government issued to guests of the government at that event.....it was not meant to be sold........ The Nazi government did not put Ges Gesch on military awards as they were not meant to be sold and did not need protection. Military items that were sold, like daggers or uniforms, did have Ges Gesch on them and several "cottage industry" shops had to apply for that right. Original pins have "nothing" on them for the now obvious reasons that they were government produced and not for sale.
After some time everyone wanted to put a swastika on their products to show support for the government. The government then created the RZM, a ministry or agency to speed up this process. After 1935 the RZM stamp replaced the Ges Gesch stamp so if any stamp was going to be on these pins.......It would be RZM not Ges Gesch. All of this is know history and you can look it up. You may want to believe that every one of those little pins are correct but there is only one style that IS correct. You can contact Simon Mitchell in Germany, who is considered the living expert on these pins, and he will be happy to set you straight or do your own research before you come in here and expect us to believe "your" theory. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19295
Show us some proof that the government allowed anyone other then themeselves to produce this pin........I would be very interested in what you find out. I was not there in 1938 and neither were you but historical record supports this argument and until you can prove something different, I or anyone else on this site, do not appreciate you blowing smoke out your RZM. :wink: |
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banana split |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:19 am |
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karmaniac wrote: Here we have a lot of opinions - but no experts. I am collecting VW stuff here in germany for over 15 years now and I can tell you one thing: I never met one who -really- can say, what makes a badge original !!
Funny how you can come on here with only 3 posts and claim that no one here can offer an expert opinion. You yourself have only been collecting for 15 years. Do you think that's a long time? Some of us have been in the hobby much longer than that.
At least now you can say you know what the difference is between a repro pin and an original thanks to some expert opinions that have been expressed. |
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banana split |
Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:22 am |
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karmaniac wrote: but have you been there in 1938???
I guess because none of us were there in 1938 we'll never know the real story :roll: |
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