TheSamba.com :: View topic - The og 4 wheel drive tooling dstryed in hamburge bombng

Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:41 pm

Ive been doing some light research into the history of original four wheel drive bugs, there was a proto type four wheel system that worked on the rear motor set up like the 82e( commandur wagon or the swimmen wagon four wheel drive systems, how can one find out how to get that going again for the baja community, theres gotta be plans still in extisence mabe porche still has it, I dont know. how much could the mexicans want for there leftover vw tooling? If its still even around?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:28 pm

It is my understanding that only one of a very few 4x4 VW's ever manufactured exist today and it is in a German Musuem.
Maybe find someone in Germany and have them do a search.
My German is limited to: Ein Bier bitte. LOL

Marvin

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:29 am

Start with this:

Throw in a mini-truck diff and talk Ellobo into modifying his a-arm setup for front stubs...
I don't really see a need to duplicate what they built 50 years ago, except maybe for collectors.
Other than some fab work, the only really difficult thing is the front output from the mainshaft. Just a matter of $.

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:39 am

subybaja wrote: Start with this:

Throw in a mini-truck diff and talk Ellobo into modifying his a-arm setup for front stubs...
I don't really see a need to duplicate what they built 50 years ago, except maybe for collectors.
Other than some fab work, the only really difficult thing is the front output from the mainshaft. Just a matter of $.

What transaxle is that? It looks like a heavily modified 091. Its definitely not a Syncro transaxle. I have a Syncro transaxle for a future project build.

Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:05 am

Bingo. Homebrew 091.
I wonder what Weddle would charge to make an extra-long mainshaft?

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:08 pm

Yea that's what my feeble research came up with as well, only a couple are left in the mueseum's over there in the swimmen wagons and the one commandure wagon thats in englands mueseum. GA_Boy wrote: It is my understanding that only one of a very few 4x4 VW's ever manufactured exist today and it is in a German Musuem.
Maybe find someone in Germany and have them do a search.
My German is limited to: Ein Bier bitte. LOL

Marvin

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:18 pm

Well the reason I was thinking old 4 wheel drive tooling and orginal stuff is the simplicity of it and the fact that fabrication wouldnt be that big of an issue if you could just bolt it in, for every body with the right year model or make the changes nec for a lot of different years, the years that matter for baja'ing atleast.

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:25 pm

your forgetting somthing! Syncros were made in 4 wheel drive, take the trans and front diff out of one of those. Keeps it as vw as possible.

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:25 pm

subybaja wrote: Start with this:

Throw in a mini-truck diff and talk Ellobo into modifying his a-arm setup for front stubs...
I don't really see a need to duplicate what they built 50 years ago, except maybe for collectors.
Other than some fab work, the only really difficult thing is the front output from the mainshaft. Just a matter of $.

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:35 pm

what about it? usually you add text when you post a picture. Im not a mind reader.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:54 am

I'm all for the bolt-in thing, but I seriously doubt that the OG stuff is bolt-in for a bug. There's that little matter of a frame-head in the way. By the time you remove that and do sufficient bracing, you're a long way down the road from bolt-on.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:42 pm

If you could put a selectable locking differentail in a bug or bus trans, there would be no need for 4 wheel drive.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:03 pm

isnt that part of the fun of baja bugs, you can usually keep up with the 4x4s and go places where some cant like racing up dunes? power to weight ratio and all the weight over the drive tires. while the 4x4s are putting along bajas blow by them 8)

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:17 pm

Yea thats sound great but is it a bolt in aplitcation or do you have to start cutting and welding, man Im crippled and doing the heavy stuff is damn near impossible for me ( lifting and such) bajabugman66 wrote: your forgetting somthing! Syncros were made in 4 wheel drive, take the trans and front diff out of one of those. Keeps it as vw as possible.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:30 pm

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=202692&highlight=

http://www.volksrods.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13748
These should help.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:35 pm

It was bolt in they made the four wheel drive commandure wagon from the bugs they had sitting around and swimmen wagon sthey still got one or to left in the world you just gotta get to the muesum and copy the old specs or porshe might have the plans still in a fileing cab or somting subybaja wrote: I'm all for the bolt-in thing, but I seriously doubt that the OG stuff is bolt-in for a bug. There's that little matter of a frame-head in the way. By the time you remove that and do sufficient bracing, you're a long way down the road from bolt-on.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:01 pm

even with the original tooling its still not a bolt in job. First of all the tunnel has to be cut open to run a drive shaft through. second if the stock beam was kept I would hate to have to have spindles made let alone figure out how to mount the beam back on with the diff in the way, maybe duct tape.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:13 pm

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...p;start=20

View this link there is pics of a 4wheel drive beam.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:05 pm

ya I know, I started that thread. Even so to find one would not be worth putting it on a bug, save it for a shcwim-i-majjiger. very different from any stock beam.

Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:07 pm

deathdealer wrote:
Quote: PANS ARENT HARD TO GET PRESSED
whats that suppsoed to mean? like the whole pan or what?