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mandraks Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:56 pm

Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

Father_n_son_T1 Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 am

mandraks wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

While I figure out how and where to upload my pic.s, could you elaborate on your scepticism?

Edit:

55bundt Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:37 pm

WOW!!! Well I be damned!! A genuine 1967 23 window...This gentleman knows what he has!!

peecee69 Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:52 pm

55bundt wrote: WOW!!! Well I be damned!! A genuine 1967 23 window...This gentleman knows what he has!!

Must be brazilian. Nice looking bus.

mandraks Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:30 pm

Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

While I figure out how and where to upload my pic.s, could you elaborate on your scepticism?

Edit:

sure, a brazilian bus would have corner windows. I don't mind that at all, i like the pressed bumpers as well.

Okie Adam Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:07 am

Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

While I figure out how and where to upload my pic.s, could you elaborate on your scepticism?


VW didn't produce 23 windows in 67. Factory production of 23 window buses ended in 63 and the 21 window bus replaced it for the 64 model year. Your bus appears to be a 23 window or 23 window clone based on a Brazilian made bus. It is a chore that involves a lot of cutting and welding to make a German built 67 bus into a 23 window due to the wider rear hatch etc. References to a 67 23 window are still a relatively new thing to some folks myself included.

Busted-bolt Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:40 pm

Okie Adam wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

While I figure out how and where to upload my pic.s, could you elaborate on your scepticism?


VW didn't produce 23 windows in 67. Factory production of 23 window buses ended in 63 and the 21 window bus replaced it for the 64 model year. Your bus appears to be a 23 window or 23 window clone based on a Brazilian made bus. It is a chore that involves a lot of cutting and welding to make a German built 67 bus into a 23 window due to the wider rear hatch etc. References to a 67 23 window are still a relatively new thing to some folks myself included. :wink:

mandraks Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:13 pm

Busted-bolt wrote: Okie Adam wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: mandraks wrote:
i would bet money though, that your 67 is a 21 window bus?

Iíll take that bet 8)

well, i am intrigued, let's see some pics then :)

While I figure out how and where to upload my pic.s, could you elaborate on your scepticism?


VW didn't produce 23 windows in 67. Factory production of 23 window buses ended in 63 and the 21 window bus replaced it for the 64 model year. Your bus appears to be a 23 window or 23 window clone based on a Brazilian made bus. It is a chore that involves a lot of cutting and welding to make a German built 67 bus into a 23 window due to the wider rear hatch etc. References to a 67 23 window are still a relatively new thing to some folks myself included. :wink:

i found another on in the brazilian bus section, 73, same color, just before the 23 window conversion and without the pressed bumpers.

Father_n_son_T1 Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:27 pm

Thank you all kindly for your interest! So far weíve concluded it is indeed Brazilian, AND I can count to 23 :lol:

A bit surprized over some of the reactions at first. But I get it now :roll: youíre trying to tell me, that some conversion may have taken place. Never gave it a thought, (and wonít give it any further, since Iím very happy with my bus as it is). Plus itís veering off this threadís course.
Whatís with all the tip-toeing, gentlemen? I wonít be offended by facts, I deal with facts. And Iíll learn more about my bus, and thatís a good thing! So, for future comments on any of my topics, you can be straight up honest with me. And I mean it in the friendliest way.

Now back to topic...sorta
Iím down for count after hernia surgery today, so garage build will be postponed for a couple of weeks. In some ways something I had done for my bus today, so I can do some heavy lifting soon without bowels going pop.
I hope I donít have to post pictures of my yellow tinted, white bandaged abdomen to convince any sceptics of my procedure today :lol: , (itís not a pretty sight :wink: ). And as I may not know too much about Brazilian VW history yet, I do know anatomy.
But as soon as I start digginí Iíll keep you posted. Build year and country of origin will be documented thoroughly! :lol:

For more pic.s and a few vid.s you can go to fatherandson_t1 on instagram

peecee69 Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:53 pm

What's most important is you like the bus and drive it! However, I'll say that pressed bumpers don't look right at all with fried egg turn signals.

How deep are you going on the digging? Did you do the magnet test all around the drip rails, under the doors, on the doglegs, or where the rear hatch and engine carrier meet (where there are likely rust issues)? Check for a few key items:

- Is there an m-code plate behind the passenger seat on the bulkhead?
- If so, does it match the stamped vin in the engine bay or the title?

I would send off for a "Birth certificate" to see what it really started out as, not that it much matters.

ToolBox Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:40 am

Father_n_son_T1 wrote: Thank you all kindly for your interest! So far weíve concluded it is indeed Brazilian, AND I can count to 23 :lol:

A bit surprized over some of the reactions at first. But I get it now :roll: youíre trying to tell me, that some conversion may have taken place. Never gave it a thought, (and wonít give it any further, since Iím very happy with my bus as it is). Plus itís veering off this threadís course.
Whatís with all the tip-toeing, gentlemen? I wonít be offended by facts, I deal with facts. And Iíll learn more about my bus, and thatís a good thing! So, for future comments on any of my topics, you can be straight up honest with me. And I mean it in the friendliest way.

Brazilian Busses get a bad rap from the shitty people who are flipping junk with a ton of lipstick. There were never sunroof deluxs from Brazil, the roof has been cut to add the sunroof and skylights and usually not correctly.

As you dig into the bus you may find many cans of worms you need to deal with. A local shop did $20K in work to bring a $40K Brazilian Bus to safe driver status.

VWAdam Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:48 am

ToolBox wrote: Father_n_son_T1 wrote: Thank you all kindly for your interest! So far weíve concluded it is indeed Brazilian, AND I can count to 23 :lol:

A bit surprized over some of the reactions at first. But I get it now :roll: youíre trying to tell me, that some conversion may have taken place. Never gave it a thought, (and wonít give it any further, since Iím very happy with my bus as it is). Plus itís veering off this threadís course.
Whatís with all the tip-toeing, gentlemen? I wonít be offended by facts, I deal with facts. And Iíll learn more about my bus, and thatís a good thing! So, for future comments on any of my topics, you can be straight up honest with me. And I mean it in the friendliest way.

Brazilian Busses get a bad rap from the shitty people who are flipping junk with a ton of lipstick. There were never sunroof deluxs from Brazil, the roof has been cut to add the sunroof and skylights and usually not correctly.

As you dig into the bus you may find many cans of worms you need to deal with. A local shop did $20K in work to bring a $40K Brazilian Bus to safe driver status.

That and thereís a reason why sunroof Buses had belly pans. Letís see how well the doors open and close in a few years on those Buses.

peecee69 Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:51 am

VWAdam wrote: That and thereís a reason why sunroof Buses had belly pans. Letís see how well the doors open and close in a few years on those Buses.

Great point! Maybe one of the easiest (and first) checks is to look under the bus and see if there are belly pans. If not, you've got quite a bit of work to fix that.

ToolBox Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:27 am

peecee69 wrote: VWAdam wrote: That and thereís a reason why sunroof Buses had belly pans. Letís see how well the doors open and close in a few years on those Buses.

Great point! Maybe one of the easiest (and first) checks is to look under the bus and see if there are belly pans. If not, you've got quite a bit of work to fix that.

That and how twisted is the chassis to start with from all the beating it has taken over it's lifetime.

DadaCheese Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:54 pm

Today

Nothing major;

put in a reproduction grab bar (from Wolfsburg West).








Also fixed that my rear dome light wasn't working (contacts and grounding screws needed to be cleaned).


SamboSamba22 Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 pm

Well, I thought I was doing good. I've been working on a 66 Velvet Green bus that per the M-codes was built with a dual circuit brake system. So when ordering all my new brake components, I ordered the beloved 67 Only dual master cylinder.
When it came time to pull the old unit, I noticed it was a single circuit unit. When I installed the dual master cylinder, all of the brake lines were accounted for, kicker is now with everything buttoned up, I can't get the driver front wheel cylinder to bleed. All other 3 wheels are behaving normally.
Is there a T within the front brake hard lines that is missing to make this dual circuit brake master work correctly, and allow the DR side wheel cylinder to received fluid?

Thanks gentlemen, these silly Splits are just different enough from a Bay to get this Bay fella in trouble.

Sam

DadaCheese Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:30 pm

Don't know why I didn't do this years ago!

Typically you have to take off the special lug-nut that keeps the spare on the bracket ('67 Westfalia Walk-through has the spare in the back left), then heave it out of the well so that you can turn it around and find the Valve Stem to check the pressure or add air.


DadaCheese Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:34 pm

Installed a 3/4ths length roof rack (or 2/3rds?) made by Front Runner.



Although it would be great to have a classic looking original or reproduction rack, we have a very low ceiling garage.
I worked with the Front Runner folks to "create" this one.
The specifications have it low enough for my purposes, and if I want, I can utilize some of the many accouterments they make (already bought a couple, and I have specific plans to fulfill within April for over-packing camping fun).

I have a thread somewhere in which I was asking about/discussing "modern" racks and load bars. When I have time I'll tack details about this rack there (part numbers, measurements, etc.), in case anyone's interested. Love it so far, but it's been on a total of 3 hours.
Total weight: 76.65 pounds

mandraks Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:34 am

DadaCheese wrote: Installed a 3/4ths length roof rack (or 2/3rds?) made by Front Runner.





i think you need something like this: https://www.rhinorack.com/en-us/products/sport-leisure/shade/awnings/batwing-awning-right-_33200

DadaCheese Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:36 am

mandraks wrote: I think you need something like this: https://www.rhinorack.com/en-us/products/sport-leisure/shade/awnings/batwing-awning-right-_33200

Mandraks, that's incredible... for simplicity, however, I am going with this:

Front Runner makes a Quick-Release mount that I'll be able to take it off the rack anytime I want without wrenching anything.



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