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Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:07 am

Does anyone know anything about this supposed Type 87 I spotted in a museum this weekend? Is Kommandeurwagen the correct name (I thought that was for the 82E)? Shouldn't the engine be 985cc? It has a 4WD chassis, but the body does not appear to be of correct vintage. The wider fenders look right, though. I chatted briefly with the owner but didn't understand too much of what he said because he only spoke German, and my German is very marginal. I think he said the car was the very first one build for Rommel and was used by a ski resort after the war. He bought it in 1986.

Dash is late 40's, right?

Not the right rear window inner pressing?

The 4WD stuff was cool:

Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:14 am

... and the sem switch is upside down.

Pretty cool looking replica though, I like the paint finish. Nothing wrong with the inaccuracies unless someone is presenting (or selling) it as an "original"

Every time I see those pics taken in a museum I remember how I got yelled by the security guard at the Henry Ford museum for stepping over the ropes and taking pics of the lower engine tin on a '51 they have there....

My son was with me, about 12 at the time, and SO embarrassed...

Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:54 am

HerrrKafer wrote: ... I think he said the car was the very first one build for Rommel and ...

Well, the sign in the first pic says that 'Rommel drove such a car in Africa', not this particular car.

Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:00 am

You're right. :oops:
We'd better just ignore the part about the conversation. :)
Still interested if this could be an original Type 87 pan.

Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:44 am

HerrrKafer wrote:
Dash is late 40's, right?

Speeeedo!!! The early BD boys will love that one!

Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:15 am

horn button is wrong.

Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:17 pm

What is right??
Marcus

Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:36 pm

The opposite of left?

Sorry, forgive me, I have no control :oops:

Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:10 pm

HerrrKafer wrote:

The 4WD stuff was cool:

Wow that is cool. This is the first time I have ever actually seen a detail shot of the 4wd.

Please forgive my ignorance but I thought early Beetles had cable brakes?
:?:

Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:40 pm

Minuet wrote: Please forgive my ignorance but I thought early Beetles had cable brakes?
They did until 49.
Adolf refused to allow Porsche to incorporate hyd brakes because that would mean paying royalties to Lockheed, a British co.

Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:23 am

HerrrKafer wrote: Does anyone know anything about this supposed Type 87 I spotted in a museum this weekend? Is Kommandeurwagen the correct name (I thought that was for the 82E)? Shouldn't the engine be 985cc? It has a 4WD chassis, but the body does not appear to be of correct vintage. The wider fenders look right, though. I chatted briefly with the owner but didn't understand too much of what he said because he only spoke German, and my German is very marginal. I think he said the car was the very first one build for Rommel and was used by a ski resort after the war. He bought it in 1986.

Dash is late 40's, right?

Not the right rear window inner pressing?

The 4WD stuff was cool:

Porsche museum in GMUND?

Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:58 am

:wink:

Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:26 pm

So does anyone know if this is authentic, or a reproduction built using Schwimmwagen running gear? If anyone knows, it should be you guys.

Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:15 pm

The car in the Gmünd collection was found just after the war in a couole of Wehrmacht vehicles. In reason of no title, it got a new ID- Number by Denzel in 1948. During the years, it got a new body. When I sae the car at first time, I also thought that it was just a replica, but then my friend Dieter Krebernik, who is a well known Kdf-Expert told me that he owned that car for a long time since the 1960s before he traded it with the owner of the Gmünd collection.

Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:44 pm

I remember reading somewhere that there is a difference in the front diff housing between the Type 87/92 and the "common" Type 166 Schwimmwagen. But I can't remember exactly what that difference was.

Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:27 am

Bruce wrote: I remember reading somewhere that there is a difference in the front diff housing between the Type 87/92 and the "common" Type 166 Schwimmwagen. But I can't remember exactly what that difference was.
I think it is the exit for the speedo drive.
Cheers!

Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:00 pm

Looks like a 1948 or 49 standard body on 4wd components, many heavily damaged cars from the war were rebodied by firms like Denzel, MAHAG or Glockner.
(back in the 1980's I owned a partial rebodied 1943 KDF by Glockner, the front end had been totalled, but they cut the front off a 1946 car and put it on mine)
The drivetrain may be original or made up from WW2 4wd parts, but the body is 100% post 1945 you can tell by the dash board and the body pressing of the rear split window.

Still looks pretty kool, I wouldn't say no if someone offered it to me :)

Tom